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Post by sturmbird on Jul 18, 2018 23:05:21 GMT -5
Looked over this set of Star decals awhile ago, and was left in a quandary. The sheet instructions call out a couple Tigers, but calls them out as Funklink Tiger I. One is labeled mid/late production, and the other is late production. Never heard of the term before. Anybody got an idea?
gary
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Post by dierk on Jul 19, 2018 4:11:15 GMT -5
Haven't come across the term myself - sounds Germlish to me (some nitwit splicing German and English together) my best guess is that it's a command vehicle. 'Funkgerät' being the German word for radio. The verb 'funken' means 'to radio'. As a subject 'Funken' it means 'sparks' - probably because early morse-type raios created sparks (?)
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Post by Tobi on Jul 19, 2018 6:24:23 GMT -5
Should read "Funklenk". A version to remote control a Borgward IV demolition charge carrier by wire.
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Post by dierk on Jul 19, 2018 6:37:20 GMT -5
Should read "Funklenk". A version to remote control a Borgward IV demolition charge carrier by wire.
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Post by panzerjager2 on Jul 19, 2018 9:20:58 GMT -5
Tobi, once again your research is OUTSTANDING.
Dierk, your German input is ALWAYS first rate
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Post by Tobi on Jul 19, 2018 10:32:54 GMT -5
I have to correct myself: unlike the smaller Goliath which was guided by wire the Borgward was a real radio controlled design.
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Post by sturmbird on Jul 19, 2018 13:58:10 GMT -5
I have to correct myself: unlike the smaller Goliath which was guided by wire the Borgward was a real radio controlled design. are we talking about the Borgward resupply vehicle? I had one once, but somebody stole it. I kinda guessed that the word "funk" meant something to do with a radio. All the Tigers listed were used in France, so that was kind of disappointing. I rather done an eastern front track gary |
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Post by Tobi on Jul 19, 2018 14:40:02 GMT -5
I have to correct myself: unlike the smaller Goliath which was guided by wire the Borgward was a real radio controlled design. are we talking about the Borgward resupply vehicle? I had one once, but somebody stole it. I kinda guessed that the word "funk" meant something to do with a radio. All the Tigers listed were used in France, so that was kind of disappointing. I rather done an eastern front track gary Borgward resupply vehicle is the Ladungstraeger gross |
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Post by sturmbird on Jul 20, 2018 14:42:27 GMT -5
are we talking about the Borgward resupply vehicle? I had one once, but somebody stole it. I kinda guessed that the word "funk" meant something to do with a radio. All the Tigers listed were used in France, so that was kind of disappointing. I rather done an eastern front track gary Borgward resupply vehicle is the Ladungstraeger gross so there are two different Borgwards! Never knew that gary |
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Post by Tobi on Jul 21, 2018 2:37:18 GMT -5
No, there were at least three versions. The one outfitted with a six-pack of Panzerschreck is also on the same chassis
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Post by sturmbird on Jul 21, 2018 13:48:57 GMT -5
got another Tiger question:
with the Fehrmann Tigers in mind. Did they or did they not have Zimmerit? If they did, then what style?
gary
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Post by Tobi on Jul 21, 2018 18:59:09 GMT -5
This question can't be answered universally.
Gruppe Fehrmann was a wild mix, some Tigers were even hybrids, mating the chassis with turrets from other vehicles.
So some had overall Zimmerit, some only on the hull, and so on.
Depends which turret number you want to depict and then you have to do your research.
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Post by sturmbird on Jul 21, 2018 22:40:34 GMT -5
This question can't be answered universally. Gruppe Fehrmann was a wild mix, some Tigers were even hybrids, mating the chassis with turrets from other vehicles. So some had overall Zimmerit, some only on the hull, and so on. Depends which turret number you want to depict and then you have to do your research. was thinking about "F13" or maybe red "F01", but the instructions give data for three tanks. Interesting is there is also a white "F01" as well as a red one. Yet they don't call out the actual pattern, guess they were all the same. Noticed that some have the turret storage box and some don't. I might add here that I managed to get all the gazillion pieces back in the box on the first try this time! The late Tiger kit took me four attempts. gary |
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Post by Tobi on Jul 22, 2018 3:13:53 GMT -5
Now you've gotten yourself into a minefield and without photographic evidence you are completely lost here.
I wouldn't believe a single color illustration, regardless of the source, without an accompanying picture confirming it.
Nevertheless, from all the Fehrmann Tiger pictures I'm aware of, I can say with 98% certainty, there were no red turret numbers.
That is simply modeler wishing. Much more likely the numbers were filled in with light cream or light green, if not outlined only.
Not to mention the debates I came across about which is the correct track tension wheel or gun mantlet on Tiger "FXX".
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Post by wbill76 on Jul 22, 2018 9:35:31 GMT -5
Now you've gotten yourself into a minefield and without photographic evidence you are completely lost here. I wouldn't believe a single color illustration, regardless of the source, without an accompanying picture confirming it. Nevertheless, from all the Fehrmann Tiger pictures I'm aware of, I can say with 98% certainty, there were no red turret numbers. That is simply modeler wishing. Much more likely the numbers were filled in with light cream or light green, if not outlined only. Not to mention the debates I came across about which is the correct track tension wheel or gun mantlet on Tiger "FXX". When it comes to arguments over minutiae, Tigers always seem to draw more attention. This is especially true for the oddball Fehrmans simply because they defy any of the 'normal' conventions when it comes to production features. Trying to get people to look at the available photos, and F13 in particular, and agree on what they 'see' is a fun but inconclusive exercise ultimately!  |
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Post by sturmbird on Jul 22, 2018 13:09:31 GMT -5
well they do have a call out in the RFM instructions for Zimmerit and F13. Correct? I have no idea! I did find out that ATAK does a Fehrmann Tiger Zimmerit set, as well as several Panther sets for the Takom and Meng kits.
gary
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Post by Tobi on Jul 22, 2018 14:23:19 GMT -5
The hull has a staining like it once sported Zimmerit, but there is no pattern visible due to the quality of the pics.
The paint on the turret is looking much more smooth and regular. If "F13" ever had Zimmerit, than large portions were worn off.
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Post by sturmbird on Jul 22, 2018 21:29:29 GMT -5
this is starting to look like a deep dark hole
gary
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Post by Tobi on Jul 23, 2018 1:20:14 GMT -5
I would settle on a tank that was not captured in pics, like "F03" or "F04".
At least that's my plan if I should ever tackle that field.
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Post by wbill76 on Jul 23, 2018 10:23:30 GMT -5
well they do have a call out in the RFM instructions for Zimmerit and F13. Correct? I have no idea! I did find out that ATAK does a Fehrmann Tiger Zimmerit set, as well as several Panther sets for the Takom and Meng kits. gary F13 should have zimmerit, but only in certain places as Tobi mentioned. These pics might be of help:    When I built my version, I used a normal Tiger Atak zim set and then cut it up as I needed to. Since there were no pics available showing the opposite side, I left it all intact.   |
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Post by sturmbird on Jul 23, 2018 15:34:05 GMT -5
I did some research last night, and was surprised at how many photos are out there. Some were very grainy, and many were from a distance. There were even a few color photos.
gary
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Post by Tobi on Jul 23, 2018 17:41:21 GMT -5
Bill, had almost forgotten that you already did a Fehrmann Tiger! The turret close-up of F13 is a lovely shot, and a good example that Zimmerit patterns can be sometimes so delicate, that they tend to get invisible on gritty pics from a distance. But it's clear it was present on both the hull and the turret, with flakings. |
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Post by wbill76 on Jul 24, 2018 9:58:39 GMT -5
Bill, had almost forgotten that you already did a Fehrmann Tiger! The turret close-up of F13 is a lovely shot, and a good example that Zimmerit patterns can be sometimes so delicate, that they tend to get invisible on gritty pics from a distance. But it's clear it was present on both the hull and the turret, with flakings. I fell victim to the 'if you build it, they will release a new kit' syndrome...not a month after I finished the older Cyberhobby offering, the brand-new ones were released!  I had the same reaction when I saw that one turret shot with the serviceman and his dog showing such consideration for future modelers with his choice of pose location. |
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Post by Tobi on Jul 25, 2018 3:55:36 GMT -5
Bill, had almost forgotten that you already did a Fehrmann Tiger! The turret close-up of F13 is a lovely shot, and a good example that Zimmerit patterns can be sometimes so delicate, that they tend to get invisible on gritty pics from a distance. But it's clear it was present on both the hull and the turret, with flakings. I fell victim to the 'if you build it, they will release a new kit' syndrome...not a month after I finished the older Cyberhobby offering, the brand-new ones were released! I had the same reaction when I saw that one turret shot with the serviceman and his dog showing such consideration for future modelers with his choice of pose location. "I fell victim to the 'if you build it, they will release a new kit' syndrome...not a month after I finished the older Cyberhobby offering, the brand-new ones were released!" - Well, that's simply Murphy's Law! Others suffer from it, too!
I happen to own the Academy offering, but they didn't get said idler wheel right. It's simply not correct in diameter, whether be it as an early version or for a later steel wheel suspension. For the Rye Field Tiger I can't tell, but the box illustration looks also a little bit on the large side compared to the pictures of "F01". So perhaps no loss here for you Bill.
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