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Post by 4bogreen on Feb 13, 2015 14:06:14 GMT -5
Well dupes, you are one lucky...eh...modeler. Awesome. You can use both decals. "58" was also in use in 1941. "58" is the one i would build. On the 1/48 scale you have a conversion for a klimov powered P-40. It had lower overall preformance, but higher relaiability. They were send to the back for training purposes.
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Post by 406 Silverado on Feb 13, 2015 14:49:56 GMT -5
Talk about things falling into place, nice one on the 40 Marc.
If anyone has a photo of the PzKpf I Ausf.A used during Barbarossa please post them, I have a kit and would love to use it.
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Post by Jeff the 57th on Feb 13, 2015 15:06:18 GMT -5
- Me
RAF Wing 151 was operating Hurricanes in Murmansk in late fall of 1941 in time for Barbarossa. Mostly it was to train Soviet pilots and aircrew about the Hurricane, radar systems and other lend lease British equipment they were to be receiving. If I recall correctly they did fly a few escort missions supporting Soviet bombers before heading back to Blighty by the end of '41.
Cheers
#57
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Post by dupes on Feb 13, 2015 15:45:56 GMT -5
Reaaaaaaally. Are there any pics of these birds?
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Post by Jeff the 57th on Feb 13, 2015 15:58:30 GMT -5
Here's a awesome picture from wiki and an article about the wing, it's pretty interesting. 151 Wing
I remember reading a book on the subject as a kid, but the one story that sticks out in my mind is Soviet pilots giving British aircrew fits. They'd tape the guns to keep moisture out, but Soviet pilots insisted on firing their guns before taking off to know that they were working. The guns would then freeze in flight due to snow, altitude and it generally being Russia in November. Cheers #57
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Post by dupes on Feb 13, 2015 17:26:54 GMT -5
I was hoping they might have overpainted some big red stars! No luck.
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Scott Fraser
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Post by Scott Fraser on Feb 13, 2015 18:07:14 GMT -5
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Post by dupes on Feb 13, 2015 20:24:41 GMT -5
Wow. There is a TON of good info in there. Thanks Scott!
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Post by TRM on Feb 13, 2015 21:22:35 GMT -5
Steve that is a nice choice, what scale is it and does it include the figures ?? I have the Pz I ausf A but can't find and ref that it was used in the 41 Barbarossa op, just as a driving school tank. Boss, a quick look around did not produce any pictures but it does look like the 9th, 12th, 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th Pz. Div. had several (118) Pz. I's in the ranks at that time. No telling which variant though. I get the sense that B's and C's were certainly used as reconnaissance and other conversion...it would be plausible a few A's were chucked in there for fun. Source was Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War II by Peter Chamberlain, Hillary Doyle and Thomas L. Jentz. Save it if you come up with something else...I did find a couple pics of Chinese Pz.I A's captured by the Japanese...LOL!!
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Scott Fraser
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Post by Scott Fraser on Feb 14, 2015 20:09:38 GMT -5
I'm very impatient for this to start. I have a number of projects that qualify and I simply don't want to wait! In the meantime, some comments about T-34s from 1941... DML has maybe thirty T-34s kits out there now. Only a few qualify as early T-34s, i.e from the period encompassed by this group build. Of the seven T-34 factories, only two delivered tanks prior to December 1941 --- Zavod No.183 in Kharkov (KhPZ) and STZ in Stalingrad. The Kharkov tanks are represented by DML kits # #6092 (L-10 gun), #6205 (KhPZ welded turret) and #6418 (KhPZ cast turret). T-34s from Stalingrad are represented by kit #6355. I would urge modellers to avoid T-34 kits from other manufacturers. None of them come close to the DML kits in terms of accuracy or detail. That's not to say that DML's kits are perfect --- they are not --- but they are miles ahead of the other kits out there. Fortunately, the kits listed above are among their best. The T-34 entered production at KhPZ (Kharkov Locomotive Factory, Zavod No.183) in June 1940, although real production momentum was not achieved until November. A total of 108 tanks were shipped in 1940, armed with the short 76.2mm L-10 gun. Most of these were assembled with the welded turret (6205) but there were also some delivered with the cast turret (6418). There is no reported data on how many of each. This early version (with welded turret and L-10 gun) can be built from DML 6092 without too much effort. The only notable production change was the introduction of new tracks in the fall of 1940 after it was discovered that the first track, which had a smooth face to the link, was prone to fracturing. The new track (provided in the kit) were reinforced across the face of the link. The original track links are available separately from Maquette. In March 1941 the F-34 gun was finally ready and was introduced into production. This was the gun intended for the T-34 and it became the standard weapon until the end of 1943. This version in represented by DML 6205 (welded turret) and 6418 (cast turret). Tanks produced during this period had vertical louvers covering the engine air intakes alongside and on top of the motor compartment. Many also had fuel boxes attached to the hull sides. Things got very interesting in June 1941. The Stalingrad Tractor Factory (STZ) had been tasked with manufacturing T-34s, but for a variety of reasons this program was delayed. The invasion resulted in major changes all across the board. A huge new Tank Ministry was created (NKTP) and given a host of different factories, shipyards, railway shops and other facilities to administer. Zavod No.112, which became a major supplier of T-34s, was immediately order to tool up for T-34 production. Factories were told to build tanks, hundreds each month, and were given permission to make whatever changes were necessary to the design adapting it to local facilities and conditions. (This is what created so-called "T-34 hell" with thirty different DML kits on the market!) With new urgency, STZ delivered their first 93 tanks in July, assembled from components supplied by Kharkov, which was itself producing 200 tanks per month. The Germans advanced very quickly, which created a huge dislocation of industry and by September, threatened Kharkov and Mariupol, where all the plate and castings came from. The Kharkov factory was loaded aboard trains and sent to Nizhnii Tagil, in the Ural industrial basin. Most of it arrived intact and the new Ural Tank Factory (UTZ, Zavod No.183) resumed production at the end of the year. The personnel from Mariupol were dispersed, but many came to the Stalingrad Shipyard Zavod No.264, which now played a decisive role in the development of STZ T-34s. In modelling terms, there were a number of external changes made to T-34s from KhPZ over the course of the year. Work was well along on the T-34M, intended to replace the T-34 and some of these components were introduced into the T-34. These included simplified intake grilles, new tow cleats, and eventually a new driver's hatch and 500mm tracks. Among the last tanks delivered were a dozen T-34-57 and two TO-34 flamethrower tanks, sent to the 21st Tank Brigade on the Kalinin Front. (For the curious, this brigade was equipped with 19 T-34 (76mm), 10 T-34 (57mm), 5 BT-2, 15 BT-5/7, 10 T-60 and 4 ZiS-30.) Later T-34s from KhPZ can be modelled by cross-kitting 6205 with a later T-34 kit. Mind that DML typically has this now-standard hatch in the wrong place. For the so-called T-34-57 "tank destroyer", I recommend the Aber barrel for the ZiS-4 and MasterClub "chevron" tracks. At Stalingrad, things took a different path. In August and September, the engineers basically redesigned the tank, greatly simplifying it to eliminate procedures required to manufacture it. For example, the T-34 hull is made from thirteen pieces, all but one flat plates. Each edge on the initial design was machined to fit the adjacent piece, resulting in many hours of machine time. The final STZ hull had one machined edge, between the upper front plate and roof. The remaining components fit together with interlocking joints with plates cut "close enough" with gas torches and the gaps welded over. These changes were evident in STZ T-34s produced at the end of the year and are badly represented in DML 6388, the one that barks. For 1941, the kit to use is 6355. Initially, STZ T-34s were indistinguishable from those produced at KhPZ. By September, the simplified grilles and tow cleats had been introduced and in October, the first tanks with steel wheels appeared. These ran poorly, but were necessary to overcome a lack of rubber. New tracks were required to withstand them, 550mm "waffle" tracks which are included in 6355. Around the same time, the turret was simplified by adding a flat rear plate, eliminating the difficult bending of the single turret side plate. The kit retains the initial driver's hatch and smooth front plate, but provides either/or a Mariupol or STZ welded turret. Many of these took part in the fighting around Moscow. To summarize, DML has four T-34 kits that can be used for a T-34 from 1941. Probably the best is 6418 T-34 Cast Turret, which includes both cast and welded turrets as well as a brass fret with some details and an aluminum barrel. Next is 6355 STZ Model 41, which has the same extras and individually moulded track links. The kit with the short gun, T-34 Model 1940 is an earlier one and lacks the extras, but it's the one to choose for an earlier tank by virtue of the mantlet and rounded fenders. Finally, T-34 Model 1941 is another earlier kit lacking any extras and is basically superseded by 6418. So. I have many books about the T-34, most of them in Russian. The best single book describing T-34s from the period is by Ilya Moshchanski: Средный танк Т-34 --- Первый год войны (Medium Tank T-34 --- First Year of War) ISBN 978-5-9533-5216-1. In English, the only book I would recommend is published by Ian Allen, by Mikhail Baryatinsky, T-34 Medium Tank. It's about all there is, which may explain the exorbitant price. There's a very good monograph from MBI (Czech) and a series of three from Ajaks (Polish) that are useful if not quite up-to-date. I cannot recommend T-34 --- Mythical Weapon for many reasons. The definitive book on the T-34 is again Russian, Прославленный Т-34 by Mikhail Kolomiets. This book I do recommend to the true T-34 nerd. Anyone contemplating a T-34 for this group build can post questions, probably best done in another "T-34" thread. I have images and plans I can post if there is enough interest. I've been researching the T-34 for years, my hobby within a hobby. ------------------------------- Edited to add this link: modelerssocialclub.proboards.com/thread/9193/34s-1941Go there for more information on T-34s. Regards Scott Fraser
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Post by dupes on Feb 14, 2015 21:22:47 GMT -5
Nice! Hadn't come across that one yet.
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Post by dupes on Feb 14, 2015 21:24:44 GMT -5
DML has maybe thirty T-34s kits out there now. Only a few qualify as early T-34s, i.e from the period encompassed by this group build. Of the seven T-34 factories, only two delivered tanks prior to December 1941 --- Zavod No.183 in Kharkov (KhPZ) and STZ in Stalingrad. The Kharkov tanks are represented by DML kits # #6092 (L-10 gun), #6205 (KhPZ welded turret) and #6418 (KhPZ cast turret). T-34s from Stalingrad are represented by kit #6355. Alright, Scott - I'll throw another wrinkle into the mix. I have kit 6205 with a MIG Productions STZ conversion set (35257). More accurate than just using a 6355?
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Post by Scott Fraser on Feb 14, 2015 22:00:04 GMT -5
Alright, Scott - I'll throw another wrinkle into the mix. I have kit 6205 with a MIG Productions STZ conversion set (35257). More accurate than just using a 6355? No. For what it is, 6355 is very good. The only problem is that it was a relatively short-lived production version, which limits its utility. I don't have the Mig release, but judging from photos they provide a replacement front plate and new turret without addressing the changes in hull construction along the sides and at the back. The chisel mantlet was a 1942 innovation, so outside the scope of this project. Anyway, I don't want to flood this thread with T-34 stuff, so once I get things organized, I'll figure out where's the best place to start a T-34 thread. I have quite a few images I can upload, too much for here. Regards Scott Fraser
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Post by dupes on Feb 14, 2015 23:41:01 GMT -5
Ahhh, good to know that it's too late a mod. Didn't realize that 6355 was a Cyber Hobby white box kit - makes that "just a bit" tougher to track down.
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Post by desertrat on Feb 15, 2015 15:34:53 GMT -5
picked up a pe set for the T34/76 today,( huddersfield show ) so the build is sorted !!! can't seem to add banner to my profile ? just came up with the jpg code ummmm can anyone help please?
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Post by Leon on Feb 15, 2015 15:42:31 GMT -5
Having the same problem here.I can copy only part of the code.
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Post by daveb714 on Feb 15, 2015 16:10:55 GMT -5
Anyway, I don't want to flood this thread with T-34 stuff, so once I get things organized, I'll figure out where's the best place to start a T-34 thread. I have quite a few images I can upload, too much for here. Regards Scott Fraser A T-34 thread sounds like a great idea. But you'll get no complaints from me for posting here Dave
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Post by TRM on Feb 15, 2015 19:21:09 GMT -5
picked up a pe set for the T34/76 today,( huddersfield show ) so the build is sorted !!! can't seem to add banner to my profile ? just came up with the jpg code ummmm can anyone help please? Hey DR...and Leon, are you copying the "code" in the highlighted box below the banner you want to use? You should be able to double click on the link in the box to highlight it, right click and copy, then paste that into you signature. Please let me know if you still have an issue and I can go back into thing and see what might be happening!!
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Post by Leon on Feb 15, 2015 19:37:48 GMT -5
Todd! I did all of the above and am only getting a partial code when I paste.
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Post by TRM on Feb 15, 2015 23:01:18 GMT -5
Hey Leon, I was able to add the banner to you signature. Seems the other two you had in there had the URL extension from Photobucket. I removed the Extension on both and added the banner...done! The double clicking was working, just the extension was causing things to be too long!! If you want the other banner, just copy the link and replace the one I put in there!!
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Post by Leon on Feb 16, 2015 4:48:02 GMT -5
Todd thank you my friend!
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Post by 4bogreen on Feb 16, 2015 11:35:25 GMT -5
Scott,
Great info about the T-34. Thanks! I have the 1940 model of Dragon. I am thinking about also doing something with it (if i pull it off). The first hulls produced in 1940, had 19 riveds devided under the fenders. Also the first batch of 20 had no bullet splash welded arround the drivershatch. Later they recieved the strips, and were welded on. About 30 turrets had the antenna at the back on the roof, in a round cup. 15 guns recieved the holder for the searchlight.
Regards,
Remco
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Post by desertrat on Feb 16, 2015 12:24:15 GMT -5
Hey DR...and Leon, are you copying the "code" in the highlighted box below the banner you want to use? You should be able to double click on the link in the box to highlight it, right click and copy, then paste that into you signature. Please let me know if you still have an issue and I can go back into thing and see what might be happening!! did this and no joy, ummm
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Post by TRM on Feb 16, 2015 12:27:50 GMT -5
Hey DR, I took care of it for you my friend! I think you might have right clicked and copied the image location and pasted...no big deal. I just needed to add the IMG with the [] brackets on each end.
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Post by desertrat on Feb 16, 2015 12:46:57 GMT -5
cheers for that, since i've switched to LYNUX ?( windows was playing up)i've not been able to post pics, managed one pic of the cat...... but still struggling can you post via phone? as my phone is better than my pc, never thought I'd be saying that !!!!
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Post by TRM on Feb 16, 2015 12:57:39 GMT -5
LOL...I think you can post pics with you phone...I will have to check actually as I never tried! All this technology will come about one day and bite us all in the a$$!!
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Post by desertrat on Feb 16, 2015 13:27:40 GMT -5
LOL...I think you can post pics with you phone...I will have to check actually as I never tried! All this technology will come about one day and bite us all in the a$$!! I think i've been bitten already lol !!!!
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Post by TRM on Feb 16, 2015 13:32:41 GMT -5
LOL...you and me both!!
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Post by Leon on Feb 17, 2015 19:00:28 GMT -5
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