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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 17, 2015 10:18:17 GMT -5
Hi guys
Here is my entry for the groupbuild:
- Dragon 6092 T-34/76 model 1940 - Aber fenders for T-34/76 model 1940 set 35137 - Aber parts for T-34/76 model 1940 set 35136 - Tank figures set T-35105 ''soviet tanker & german infantryman'' - Tank figures set T-35106 ''escaping soviet tankcrew" - Add On parts Cobblestone road small type 2 set Nr. 35-0004-C - Add On parts Cobblestone set large 100g Nr. 35-0008 - Verlinden Productions Tree kit small Nr. 2007
I was inspired by a photo of a T-34 model 1940 burning in the middle of the road, trying to get a way. I am not going to make this tank, but something that looks like this situation. I saw some very nice figures from tank that looked very exciting to me. A escaping tankcrew and a crewmember snatching a MP-40 of a dead German soldier. The figures are looking very sharp, and having not painted a lot of figures, this would be a nice challange for me. Also it wil be my first attempt for a diorama. phot's will follow soon.
Regards,
Remco
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Post by mrt51 on Mar 17, 2015 10:32:03 GMT -5
Yep I'm here for this.
Terry
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Post by Deano on Mar 17, 2015 11:51:07 GMT -5
Nice ingredients , shalst be watching
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Post by kaytermarram on Mar 17, 2015 12:02:05 GMT -5
Remco, cool that you will build such an outstanding dio! One hint, maybe: I have seen that you will use a resin tree from Verlinden. MAYBE think of doing/sculpting one by yourself because a resin tree will look like a resin tree. When you use some wood and mainly roots, the result will be really spectecular! But anyway, count me in, too!
Frank
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 17, 2015 12:15:22 GMT -5
Frank,
I would definetly look at that option. I have seen how you can build a tree from electric wire and some sculpting stuff like das pronto clay. And i like a good scratchbuild also, so...
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Post by kaytermarram on Mar 17, 2015 12:59:15 GMT -5
Sounds good! I have read tutorials on doing trees and mainly the folks take a good looking root, add wire galore for trees, drill holes for more wire and oversculpt the whole thing to add a bark structure and, the most pain, leaves. We have PE parts for that, gulp, and foliage from brands like Noch or Mini Natur. The only thing I would avoid is islandic moss. Most prominent by most railroaders here in Germany, double gulp, it looks absolute unnatural. Means, for me! Doing a winter tree is a cooler solution, hehe. Btw, check out www.zinnbäume.de. Mr. Reussner from Dresden did incredible jobs on trees, but they are very expensive... Frank
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 17, 2015 16:53:22 GMT -5
Frank,
These trees are awesome! Now i really have to study "treeology". I must see what i can use for leaves.
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Post by Scott Fraser on Mar 17, 2015 17:02:06 GMT -5
Do review my T-34 thread to determine what optional parts to use. Overall this is a nice kit, although there is always room for improvement. The AFV Club tracks are a worthwhile upgrade. The ABER fret is typical overkill, but will raise the model to the next level .I'm looking forward to seeing how this develops. Regards Scott Fraser
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Post by kaytermarram on Mar 17, 2015 17:02:29 GMT -5
That is the reason why I haven´t done any jungle base till now...The leaf problem must be solved before!
Frank
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Post by deafpanzer on Mar 17, 2015 19:15:51 GMT -5
Reporting to duty!!! You have my attention...
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Post by Wes on Mar 18, 2015 2:51:13 GMT -5
Ill be watching for sure.
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 18, 2015 7:30:52 GMT -5
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Post by deafpanzer on Mar 18, 2015 9:58:46 GMT -5
Those figures from TANK are pretty cool! It was a pleasure painting their faces when I used them last time. Gonna love their facial expressions as they tend to be more than other typical resin figure makers.
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 18, 2015 12:08:33 GMT -5
Indeed deafpanzer! Tank figures kick ass! The emotions on the faces are suberb! I am also very curious about Stalingrad figures. They also seems very good.
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Post by dierk on Mar 18, 2015 12:15:25 GMT -5
Nice choice of goodies Remco! I'll be watching. I built a Dragon '40 model a while back, as far as I remember the drive wheels in the kit are 'steel' but should have rubber tires - easy to modify the kit parts - I expect you already know this. The 'instructions' are pretty awful - even by Dragon's already low standard rant Are you going to add the crimped edges to the exhausts, or use AM?
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Post by deafpanzer on Mar 18, 2015 13:35:03 GMT -5
I personally prefer Tank over Stalingrad. I found resin to be too soft from Stalingrad and it required extra cleaning. Feet and hands were deformed too... I'd be more than happy to post pics if you want to see.
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Post by Scott Fraser on Mar 18, 2015 14:14:19 GMT -5
... Scott, I was forget to mention the AFV club track set. I have it. But, i want the initial tracks, so i have to sand the surface off. The Aber fret is indeed overkill, i just use the parts that improve the model. Not because its just in there and must be used. Thats silly. Do you have some info about the initial type "fenders attachment/ layout". I see different thing in my books, but i can't make out what the proper attachments are. Like boxes, tarps or towing cables... The DML kit is actually pretty good regarding placement of ZIP boxes etc. I'll see what I can find in the way of illustrations. What timeframe are you shooting for? Many T-34s from early 1941 were camouflaged. Regarding tracks, Maquette make smooth 550mm tracks, if you can find them. Don't be put off ny the illustration on the front. What you get are smooth plate track links of the sort that were replaced in August 1940. (Very few T-34s had thee tracks. They were prone to breaking and were quickly replaced.) There is tons of information here about the first T-34s. It's in Russian, but the illustrations speak volumes. Regards Scott Fraser
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 18, 2015 14:27:43 GMT -5
I am aming for a first production batch. The socalled "initial" types. The camouflaged T-34's were part of a experiment with camouflage. They did pretty good research. The most camouflaged vehicles were in the south. This because the area was suitble for it.
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Post by Scott Fraser on Mar 18, 2015 15:12:56 GMT -5
The link I posted has lots of information on the early tanks. Note the "initial" version had a different turret. Re: camouflage, it was official. Experiments were begun in August 1939 to determine the best schemes. Camouflage was formalized early in 1940 (I will try and find the exact date of the order) and all vehicles were ordered to be camouflaged in one of a variety of schemes, depending on the theatre of operations. Ultimately, pigments for only three colours were available -- "protective green" 4BO, dark brown (6K) and "sand-yellow" or "yellow-earth" (7K), depending on the source. These were to be applied in bands, roughly vertical, with 50% green (4BO), 25% brown and 25% sand. In practice, not all vehicles were camouflaged, but there are still many photos of camouflaged T-34s from the summer of 1941, enough to make me think that for a while, camouflage was applied at the factory. A few were camouflaged with hard edges between the colours, however most of the tanks photographed had softer demarcation suggesting they were sprayed, probably at the factory. For the most part, the camouflage was not as intricate as sometimes illustrated but was limited to wide, semi-vertical bands of colour where typically, the front and rear corners of the turret were either 6K or 4BO with the central area in 7K. I've been digging into camouflage and collecting photos for a while, preparatory to finishing my own T-34 obr.1940. Below is a photo that shows the colour demarcations fairly clearly. Note now the corners of the hull and front quarter of the turret have been painted in darker colours. This is typical of most photos of camouflaged T-34s. This is a fairly typical application of camouflage, judging from the photographic record. The whole question of Red Army camouflage has been controversial. There are relatively few clear photos of T-34s in camouflage, all of them taken by Germans, but there are enough to draw some fairly clear conclusions about the use of camouflage. Regards Scott Fraser
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 18, 2015 15:46:54 GMT -5
@ dierk, I just drill out the exhausts with my dremel tool. @ deafpanzer, Really?? I thought Stalingrad was of the same quallity?? Never expecting this... @ scott, again great info as usual. Awesome! How different was the initial turret from the later one? I thought the searchlight holder and cup for the antenna aray was the big difference?
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Post by Scott Fraser on Mar 18, 2015 16:36:01 GMT -5
... @ scott, again great info as usual. Awesome! How different was the initial turret from the later one? I thought the searchlight holder and cup for the antenna aray was the big difference? Below is a drawing of the initial turret. These were only fitted to the first pre-production tanks. Note the antenna on the roof, different hatch, and side episcopes on the turret centerline. The center of production turrets were shifted aft and the orientation of the episcopes was forward rather than directly to the side. A better view: Note there were only a handful of T-34s with this turret. HTH Scott Fraser
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Post by deafpanzer on Mar 18, 2015 17:00:35 GMT -5
Me too especially that I paid a lot for my Stalingrad set... here's the pictures you can judge for yourself. Take a good look at their hands and feet... Result... Maybe its better for soldier sets if you don't have to carve and sand resin off. Hope this helps...
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Post by DeafStuG on Mar 18, 2015 19:24:18 GMT -5
Nice extra detail Aber PE and Tank figures. Count me in!
Andy - Nice resin figures set! I`ve seen Stalingrad products are nice stuff! Tank figures set - my favourite.
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 19, 2015 10:43:49 GMT -5
Hmm, its indeed a bit rough at the hand and feet. If i see it, i will check first. You also can bought the so called ''Monday morning'' molding Andy. You surely did a nice job on the painting!
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Post by Jelly on Mar 19, 2015 11:27:43 GMT -5
Man ! What a ton of "Aftermarkets" !! The TANK figures are beautiful, and expensive... but really top notch !! Good luck with the styrene-surgery Later Jelly
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 20, 2015 16:43:41 GMT -5
Man ! What a ton of "Aftermarkets" !! The TANK figures are beautiful, and expensive... but really top notch !! Good luck with the styrene-surgery Later Jelly Thanks Jelly, i hope i can make something nice here. The ingredients are here, now its up to me.
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 20, 2015 16:48:18 GMT -5
We are of on a great start! Wheels are ready, and i added the bolts on the side under the fender. The initial production version had these.
Also i made the inside of the engine deck beneath the louvres. All finnished. The sanding of the tracks is grinding. What a job...must be crazy or something
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 21, 2015 1:48:00 GMT -5
With Scott's exelent information, i decided to go with the second turret. Now i have to look what i can use best for the antenna aray. The inside of the enginedeck has bin placed succesfully. I also cut the fenders away from the hull, painted it black and glued the hull thoughetter. I will spray some Mr. surfacer 1000 for steel effect. These tank were very smooth finnished, so we have to be carefull not to overdue the effect. The drivers hatch is having its PE now
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 21, 2015 8:29:50 GMT -5
Drivers hatch finnished
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Post by 4bogreen on Mar 21, 2015 8:33:38 GMT -5
...and the engine deck cover ready
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