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Post by sturmbird on Feb 16, 2017 16:06:00 GMT -5
picked up a book last night, and there was a photo of a Marder III (Sd.Kfz. 139) with a 7.62cm Russian gun mounted on it. I'd swear I've seen one somewhere, and can't remember where. Or maybe even a conversion to use s Dragon or Tristar kit.
In the book I saw photos of several different radio listening trucks and relay trucks. Some looked to be off the Opel Blitz chassis, and some were on a much longer wheel base. Love to do a couple of these someday. There were some really great photos of Pz.Kw.III's in there, and early Pz.Kw.II's. gary
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Post by panzerjager2 on Feb 16, 2017 16:09:47 GMT -5
Sturmbird are you sure you don't mean a 38T chassis with a 76.2cm gun
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Post by sturmbird on Feb 16, 2017 22:50:08 GMT -5
Sturmbird are you sure you don't mean a 38T chassis with a 76.2cm gun that's it exactly gary
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Post by panzerjager2 on Feb 16, 2017 23:08:16 GMT -5
Gary, there is also this:Based on the Panzer II ausf "D"
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Post by sturmbird on Feb 22, 2017 22:54:33 GMT -5
picked up the Tamiya Marder III that used the 7.62cm Pak 36 awhile ago in a 25% off sale. Felt it was still over priced even though it came with a sheet of PE, but it was all I could find. Later I find it comes with two sets of Aber PE. Even came with a set of DAK decals. Time to gather some more parts to hunt up.
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Post by panzerjager2 on Feb 23, 2017 0:04:45 GMT -5
So I thought the Tamiya was the only option...well low and behold....... Anyway glad I could help..... I bet you'd of found it eventually right......
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Post by sturmbird on Feb 23, 2017 16:15:35 GMT -5
So I thought the Tamiya was the only option...well low and behold....... Anyway glad I could help..... I bet you'd of found it eventually right......
been looking for a metal barrel, and so far I can't find one. I'd swear somebody does one. I really don't like metal tracks, and actually like the Dragon Magic Tracks. Might try to find a set somebody is not going to use. The gun was rechambered to use the Pak 40 round, and there are plenty in the aftermarket. I've also found out they built some Marder IIIH's with the Russian 7.62cm gun. I think I have more than one Tristar IIIH in my stash. The Bronco kit is on my want list; I might also add. Might also add here that I'm beginning to develop a dislike for Tony Lee!!!! He's now got me convinced that I need to build at least two and maybe four of those SIG 33 contraptions!! not only is he driving me broke, but the impending room addition will be the final straw! gary
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Post by sturmbird on Feb 26, 2017 16:31:14 GMT -5
that Bronco kit must be out of production. Trying to find one, plus one or two more Tristar kits. What I'm looking for now is a source for metal barrels (7.62cm Russian). Anybody know of a source?
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Post by tonylee on Mar 3, 2017 14:19:05 GMT -5
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Post by Tobi on Mar 3, 2017 15:23:44 GMT -5
Tough call on the barrel!
Jordi Rubio had one (#TG-50), if you're able to find it...
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Post by panzerjager2 on Mar 3, 2017 17:44:18 GMT -5
You can try e-Hell, (ebay). You might also look at ModelKasten for tracks.... I could have sworn they did the 38t tracks
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Post by sturmbird on Mar 3, 2017 21:09:15 GMT -5
I really like the Dragon Magic Tracks, but the old Tristars look better. tracks are not a problem actually, but sure want three or four metal barrels. I'll keep looking. gary
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Post by bish on Mar 5, 2017 23:57:48 GMT -5
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Post by sturmbird on Mar 6, 2017 13:22:23 GMT -5
I think Tristar did two versions, and maybe even the 7.62cm barreled one. Piece of trivia for all of you: * A Marder with a PAK 40 held the longest kill on a tank till ODS. A British tank broke the 3350 yard record (there's actual film footage of the hit on a KV-1). gary
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Post by moramarth on Mar 6, 2017 15:25:55 GMT -5
The Iraqis were using KV-1s during ODS? That's going to be an interesting conversion... Actually, I shouldn't laugh - we're considering the German habit of putting a foreign gun on on a chassis originating from a different foreign country, this actually did turn up in Iraq... lockerdome.com/warhistoryonline/8678004742305556Cheers, M
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Post by sturmbird on Mar 7, 2017 12:53:01 GMT -5
The Iraqis were using KV-1s during ODS? That's going to be an interesting conversion... Actually, I shouldn't laugh - we're considering the German habit of putting a foreign gun on on a chassis originating from a different foreign country, this actually did turn up in Iraq... lockerdome.com/warhistoryonline/8678004742305556Cheers, M I said that a Marder (looks like an "M") knocked out a KV-1 at 3350 yards (meters?). There's actual film footage of the hit. The record stood till a British tank knocked something out. I have no idea (and could care even less) if there was a Marder in Iraq. glt
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Post by Tobi on Mar 7, 2017 13:09:52 GMT -5
At least there were Marder in AFG
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Post by bish on Mar 7, 2017 14:30:05 GMT -5
I think Tristar did two versions, and maybe even the 7.62cm barreled one. Piece of trivia for all of you: * A Marder with a PAK 40 held the longest kill on a tank till ODS. A British tank broke the 3350 yard record (there's actual film footage of the hit on a KV-1). gary I was only aware of the one, the Ausf H, but could be wrong. They also did Flak 38(t) which does look similar. Just to add to your bit of trivia, the British kill took place during Op Grandy on 26th Feb 91 when a Chally destroyed an Iraqi tank at 4,700m. But over 3,000m for a PaK 40 is damn pretty impressive.
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Post by moramarth on Mar 7, 2017 14:33:27 GMT -5
Sorry, I was using the way you imparted the information to try and be funny (and failed - I often have a sense-of-humor malfunction). The film footage you mention sounds interesting but I haven't been able to find it yet. I have the Alan kit of the Sd Kfz 139 in the stash but I doubt I'll ever get round to it, it's a horror story... Regards, M
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Post by sturmbird on Mar 7, 2017 22:31:15 GMT -5
I think Tristar did two versions, and maybe even the 7.62cm barreled one. Piece of trivia for all of you: * A Marder with a PAK 40 held the longest kill on a tank till ODS. A British tank broke the 3350 yard record (there's actual film footage of the hit on a KV-1). gary I was only aware of the one, the Ausf H, but could be wrong. They also did Flak 38(t) which does look similar. Just to add to your bit of trivia, the British kill took place during Op Grandy on 26th Feb 91 when a Chally destroyed an Iraqi tank at 4,700m. But over 3,000m for a PaK 40 is damn pretty impressive. I thought the Brits claimed 5600+ yards, but have slept since then. On the KV-1; you could see the hit shake the dust and mud off the turret. Did it penetrate? I cannot for sure say one way or the other. The new Marder is a Marder IIIM that was slated to be released right before they went under. As I understand it the box art is minimal, and it may come with a full interior. Tracklink has a spot on it in their new kit news. If the kit compares well with their other 38T platform kits; it will be a big winner. gary
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Post by sturmbird on Mar 7, 2017 22:33:53 GMT -5
Sorry, I was using the way you imparted the information to try and be funny (and failed - I often have a sense-of-humor malfunction). The film footage you mention sounds interesting but I haven't been able to find it yet. I have the Alan kit of the Sd Kfz 139 in the stash but I doubt I'll ever get round to it, it's a horror story... Regards, M the film footage was on U-Tube if I recall correctly. May have something to do with Kursk, and the scenery looks right from photos I've seen. It shows up on modeling sites about once a year. gary
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Post by bish on Mar 8, 2017 9:46:37 GMT -5
I was only aware of the one, the Ausf H, but could be wrong. They also did Flak 38(t) which does look similar. Just to add to your bit of trivia, the British kill took place during Op Grandy on 26th Feb 91 when a Chally destroyed an Iraqi tank at 4,700m. But over 3,000m for a PaK 40 is damn pretty impressive. I thought the Brits claimed 5600+ yards, but have slept since then. On the KV-1; you could see the hit shake the dust and mud off the turret. Did it penetrate? I cannot for sure say one way or the other. The new Marder is a Marder IIIM that was slated to be released right before they went under. As I understand it the box art is minimal, and it may come with a full interior. Tracklink has a spot on it in their new kit news. If the kit compares well with their other 38T platform kits; it will be a big winner. gary 4700m is just over 5000 yards, and tankies are known to exaggerate I have just checked scalemates again and saw what I missed before. Both the HB kits are to be Ausf M's, a late and early. Hopefully they will rebox the H as well. Its a pity I have already done the Tamiya Ausf M, but I certainly want to get the H.
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Post by sturmbird on Mar 8, 2017 15:40:19 GMT -5
I thought the Brits claimed 5600+ yards, but have slept since then. On the KV-1; you could see the hit shake the dust and mud off the turret. Did it penetrate? I cannot for sure say one way or the other. The new Marder is a Marder IIIM that was slated to be released right before they went under. As I understand it the box art is minimal, and it may come with a full interior. Tracklink has a spot on it in their new kit news. If the kit compares well with their other 38T platform kits; it will be a big winner. gary 4700m is just over 5000 yards, and tankies are known to exaggerate I have just checked scalemates again and saw what I missed before. Both the HB kits are to be Ausf M's, a late and early. Hopefully they will rebox the H as well. Its a pity I have already done the Tamiya Ausf M, but I certainly want to get the H. Have no idea about what's inside a Challenger gunsight, but suspect it's very similar to a first or second generation Abrams gunsight. I've had the opportunity to fool around with the laser/thermos sight used on the M1a1 (courtesy of the boys at Ft. Knox). I would guess that it was accurate within .25% or less. The thermo/imaging was spooky. You could tell the sex of a person, or see their foot tracks as they walked a couple hundred yards away. That sight was replaced by one similar to what Israel developed, and think it's been redone one more time. The Tamiya Marder M kit isn't bad. I have one setting right next to me (the deluxe version). About the only thing I don't like is the tracks and the rear basket. Mine came with two sets of Aber PE, but could have used a metal barrel. I have two Tristar Marder H kits. What I didn't know was that Tristar did a 222 armored car (not the HB kit). glt
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Post by bish on Mar 9, 2017 10:37:18 GMT -5
I had the fortune to look through the sites of a Chally I once, no people in view but could tell it was damn impressive. A whole leap ahead of the IR kit we had for our MILAN's. I can only imagine what they have on the Chally II's now.
I used 2 Aber sets, Fruils and an Aber barrel for my Tamiya Ausf M, quite a nice build. For the other Tamiya Marder I have the one which came with the ICM figures. Going to have to get that JR barrel though, but I don't understand why Aber never did one of those barrels.
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Post by sturmbird on Mar 9, 2017 14:39:13 GMT -5
I had the fortune to look through the sites of a Chally I once, no people in view but could tell it was damn impressive. A whole leap ahead of the IR kit we had for our MILAN's. I can only imagine what they have on the Chally II's now. I used 2 Aber sets, Fruils and an Aber barrel for my Tamiya Ausf M, quite a nice build. For the other Tamiya Marder I have the one which came with the ICM figures. Going to have to get that JR barrel though, but I don't understand why Aber never did one of those barrels. to give you a handle on the M1a2 thermo/laser imaging gunsight; the main gun is bore sighted with a laser indoors right after mounting the turret. I watched them do this at the Lima plant, and prior in Warren Michigan. Their setup is pretty slick. Then as the tank is being tested out doors the lock on a target painted on a farmer's silo that's maybe 3000 yards out. It looks like a standard rifle target, but must be fifty foot diameter. The lock on the bullseye in the center (maybe four or five feet in diameter). There maybe a sensor in the dead center. Then the tank goes thru several maneuvers including a second trip up the ramp. The barrel stays locked on the target, no matter what the tank does. Kinda spooky. If the barrel looses it's target, the tank is taken back inside for repair. They said they've only seen a couple that have to be redone. I saw them do in with temps in the mid twenties and snow flurries. By the way that tank was clocked at 59mph on the back stretch of the track. Even though the governor was set at 48mph. It has that much power. gary
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Post by bish on Mar 9, 2017 15:37:13 GMT -5
We used to something similar to our Warrior 30mm cannons, though we never had all the target lock gizmo's the big tanks have. I imagine the tankies would do very much the same on the Chally as they would on the m1.
Coolest thing I ever saw was a leopard 2 rotating the hull on the spot, at a fair speed, and the turret staying completely fixed in its direction. I could neutral turn a Warrior, but nothing like that.
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