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Post by sturmbird on Nov 4, 2019 16:57:41 GMT -5
Here is something for the folks in the know. *. Read two really good books on Dunkirk this fall, and may look into a third. The second book was by Nelson Lord, and he States that a group of Beaufighters and a wing of Hurricanes made at least one strike on the Germans east of Dunkirk and out by the Belgium border. Yet my data says they didn't become operational till 27, July! OK, let's just say he's right, and go from there (we're talking about a month to six weeks here). What mark Beaufighter is he talking about? Plus; is there a kit in 48th scale? Then of course we need escapes. By the way Lord's book reads like the movie script! Gary
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Post by adt70hk on Nov 13, 2019 18:44:14 GMT -5
Hi Gary
I am NOT an expert on this area or this incident but your question piqued my curiosity.
My limited research suggests one possibility in that apparently the Bristol Beaufort, although normally a torpedo bomber, was also sometimes used in a medium bomber role.
Then there is of course the Bristol Blenheim as another possibility.
In either case both were in service by the time of Dunkirk.
Just a thought and I may well l bee wrong
All the best.
Andrew
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Post by joelsmith on Nov 14, 2019 4:14:32 GMT -5
Another possibility is the Westland Whirlwind, Think of a Mosquito that has been on a really strict diet, armed with 4 20mm cannon.
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Post by sturmbird on Nov 15, 2019 16:08:33 GMT -5
The real issue is ground attack, and bombing secondary. That Kind of leaves the bombers out, and also the RAF's failure to seriously commit aircraft to Dunkirk. They only made one serious attempt during the evacuation. Royal Navy wasn't much better either. Back to airframes a bit. Whatever it was,it had to perform with the Hurricane. The Whirlwind sounds right. Never saw one outfitted as a heavy fighter. The Beaufighter went operational roughly a month after the siege ended, but could they have started taking deliveries a month prior? After all they would need training. Guess I got more digging! Garg
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Post by adt70hk on Nov 16, 2019 3:13:40 GMT -5
Joel - nice idea with the Whirlwind. Always had a soft spot for that.
Gary - as I said I'm not an expert but one site I came across a seemed to imply that the Beaufighter was actually not used in anger until the September. I'll try and find it so you can make your own call.
ATB
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Post by adt70hk on Nov 16, 2019 3:19:41 GMT -5
Gary
It's just dawned on me that somewhere in my loft I should have a book entirely dedicated to the Beaufighter.
Will try and dig it out!
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Post by sturmbird on Nov 16, 2019 15:17:59 GMT -5
Gary It's just dawned on me that somewhere in my loft I should have a book entirely dedicated to the Beaufighter. Will try and dig it out! Andrew Please do!! Gary
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Post by sturmbird on Nov 16, 2019 15:28:33 GMT -5
Wikepedia says July 27th, but nothing more. I'm now thinking Blenheim or the Whirlwind in 1/48 scale. Trumpeter is the kit of a Whirlwind I've seen, and I don't trust it! I assume they used MK I and MK II Spitfires, and MK I Hurricanes. Actually, Dunkirk would make one heck of a group build! You got some armor, plenty of soft skins. Aircraft is another story, plus you could do about anything that floats except for large capital ships. Even the S100 Schnellboats! Gary
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Post by sturmbird on Nov 17, 2019 13:33:07 GMT -5
Some folks say the Trumpeter kit is garbage, but it's also the only game in town! More I think about it, the more puzzling it gets Gary
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Post by moramarth on Nov 17, 2019 21:35:49 GMT -5
I wonder if they meant Beaufort? It was operational as a bomber and minelayer by the time of Dunkirk, although it didn't become active in its primary role as a torpedo bomber until later. It probably actually saw more use as a conventional bomber, it could carry a single 2000lb bomb as well as other loads.
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P.S. I saw a TV documentary a short while ago which attempted to rehabilitate the RAF contribution to Dunkirk: they were fighting mostly far beyond the perimeter around the town itself and turned back many attacks. Those on the ground saw only those enemy aircraft which made it through.
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Post by adt70hk on Nov 18, 2019 10:03:53 GMT -5
I wonder if they meant Beaufort? It was operational as a bomber and minelayer by the time of Dunkirk, although it didn't become active in its primary role as a torpedo bomber until later. It probably actually saw more use as a conventional bomber, it could carry a single 2000lb bomb as well as other loads.
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P.S. I saw a TV documentary a short while ago which attempted to rehabilitate the RAF contribution to Dunkirk: they were fighting mostly far beyond the perimeter around the town itself and turned back many attacks. Those on the ground saw only those enemy aircraft which made it through.
Hi Moramarth I did suggest the Beaufort too but I'm going to do some more digging. Can you remember what the documentary was called? It sounds interesting. ATB Andrew
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Post by adt70hk on Nov 18, 2019 10:05:52 GMT -5
Gary It's just dawned on me that somewhere in my loft I should have a book entirely dedicated to the Beaufighter. Will try and dig it out! Andrew Please do!! Gary Hi Gary I'll try and get it out at some point this week but will probably have to wait until the weekend. ATB Andrew
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Post by sturmbird on Nov 18, 2019 16:00:40 GMT -5
Well I did find some small bits of data here and there! * The Coastal Command had Hudson's flying the channel loop! * Totally forget the Beaufighter. * All Spitfires were MK. I's and pretty much stayed over Dunkirk and the channel. * Hurricanes were making some strikes inland. Probably less than 75 kilometers inland. * There were a small handful of twin engined bombers hitting deep behind Dunkirk. Gary
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Post by adt70hk on Nov 18, 2019 18:04:47 GMT -5
Well I did find some small bits of data here and there! * The Coastal Command had Hudson's flying the channel loop! * Totally forget the Beaufighter. * All Spitfires were MK. I's and pretty much stayed over Dunkirk and the channel. * Hurricanes were making some strikes inland. Probably less than 75 kilometers inland. * There were a small handful of twin engined bombers hitting deep behind Dunkirk. Gary Gary Thanks for the update. I see the Wikipedia entry - accuracy obviously unknown - dates Hudson's flew "top cover" at Dunkirk! Whatever that means. ATB Andrew
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Post by sturmbird on Nov 30, 2019 0:51:01 GMT -5
Well I did find some small bits of data here and there! * The Coastal Command had Hudson's flying the channel loop! * Totally forget the Beaufighter. * All Spitfires were MK. I's and pretty much stayed over Dunkirk and the channel. * Hurricanes were making some strikes inland. Probably less than 75 kilometers inland. * There were a small handful of twin engined bombers hitting deep behind Dunkirk. Gary Gary Thanks for the update. I see the Wikipedia entry - accuracy obviously unknown - dates Hudson's flew "top cover" at Dunkirk! Whatever that means. ATB Andrew You can pretty much forget the Whirlwind as well. They operated much further northeast. They did fly Blenhiem Mk.I and a few MK.IV's. The Hudson's were flying the channel slot. We need a good Hudson in 48th scale!! Gary
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Post by sturmbird on Jan 1, 2020 0:03:23 GMT -5
Revell just announced a Beaufighter MK.I NF in 48th scale. Gary
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