sturmbird
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Post by sturmbird on Oct 19, 2013 14:15:11 GMT -5
Nice progress, the tracks look terrific. Andy, yes it's the snorkel used when the tank waded rivers. As Nazis soon found out, there are a lot of rivers to cross in Russia and Ukraine, so russians soon developed both amphibious AFVs and tanks with snorkels. And, to the ones who are asking, T-64 evolved into T-80. T-62 was the predecessor of T-72. Both designs were used to develop T-90. However the engine of the T-64 was abandoned due to the high flammability of the fuel. actually gas turbines use a form of kerosene, and that's pretty much the same thing as diesel fuel without the added oil to it. The reason for the demise of the T64 was fuel consumption and cost. There were two or three different gas turbines used in them (Klimov or Kirov from a Leningrad plant), and they are pretty much the same as their big helicopter used at the time. The fire issues came out of their loader, and were never over came till the end of the first generation T80 (there were two different T80's, and the early one was short lived). Russia and the Ukraine both manufactured the T64, and there were at least two (maybe three) different styles of turrets. Got to find that book on them as it's full of photos and data gary
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Post by wbill76 on Oct 19, 2013 20:34:37 GMT -5
Nice to see some progress on this one. markings look good!
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Post by bullardino on Oct 20, 2013 4:03:57 GMT -5
Nice progress, the tracks look terrific. Andy, yes it's the snorkel used when the tank waded rivers. As Nazis soon found out, there are a lot of rivers to cross in Russia and Ukraine, so russians soon developed both amphibious AFVs and tanks with snorkels. And, to the ones who are asking, T-64 evolved into T-80. T-62 was the predecessor of T-72. Both designs were used to develop T-90. However the engine of the T-64 was abandoned due to the high flammability of the fuel. actually gas turbines use a form of kerosene, and that's pretty much the same thing as diesel fuel without the added oil to it. The reason for the demise of the T64 was fuel consumption and cost. There were two or three different gas turbines used in them (Klimov or Kirov from a Leningrad plant), and they are pretty much the same as their big helicopter used at the time. The fire issues came out of their loader, and were never over came till the end of the first generation T80 (there were two different T80's, and the early one was short lived). Russia and the Ukraine both manufactured the T64, and there were at least two (maybe three) different styles of turrets. Got to find that book on them as it's full of photos and data gary To be true, the bad fame that accompanied T-64 and, mostly, T-80 came from the operational use of the latter. But more than shortcomings in the design, the real issue was that they were used without infantry support in a city combat scenario. But when they suffered such a high rate of loss as in Grozny, they got the blame, even if any tank wouldn't have survived in such conditions. The loader wasn't that bad, the problem was that they got shot with rpgs on the top of the turret, causing the rpg to blow the loader. Russians were in such a rush that forgot to activate ERA and this lead to disaster. Unfortunately the only book I have on T-64 is in russian
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Post by sturmbird on Oct 20, 2013 13:50:06 GMT -5
actually gas turbines use a form of kerosene, and that's pretty much the same thing as diesel fuel without the added oil to it. The reason for the demise of the T64 was fuel consumption and cost. There were two or three different gas turbines used in them (Klimov or Kirov from a Leningrad plant), and they are pretty much the same as their big helicopter used at the time. The fire issues came out of their loader, and were never over came till the end of the first generation T80 (there were two different T80's, and the early one was short lived). Russia and the Ukraine both manufactured the T64, and there were at least two (maybe three) different styles of turrets. Got to find that book on them as it's full of photos and data gary To be true, the bad fame that accompanied T-64 and, mostly, T-80 came from the operational use of the latter. But more than shortcomings in the design, the real issue was that they were used without infantry support in a city combat scenario. But when they suffered such a high rate of loss as in Grozny, they got the blame, even if any tank wouldn't have survived in such conditions. The loader wasn't that bad, the problem was that they got shot with rpgs on the top of the turret, causing the rpg to blow the loader. Russians were in such a rush that forgot to activate ERA and this lead to disaster. Unfortunately the only book I have on T-64 is in russian The T64 evolved into the T72 and the new T80. The first T80 is so rare that there are few if any photos of them. I saw them in a TACOM fish tape, and even then they were very grainy. Looked like a T62 more than the current T80. They were following the USSR's issues with the autoloader and fires and internal explosions. I think it was a constant redesign in progress. The gas turbines used either kerosene or diesel, and used diesel mostly. I don't think there were any T64's in combat, but there were T72's and various T80's (late). The T80's were plagued with ammunition fires (may still be). The problem was from the rounds stowed in the ready position for the auto loader. When a shape charge penetrated the hull it went right into that position. gary
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dylan
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Post by dylan on Oct 21, 2013 0:59:24 GMT -5
wow thanks for the history lesson guys. most early turbine engines used a naptha based fuel (JET B is one that comes to mind) which is very volatile. the newer turbine engines use the Kerosene based fuel. we actually used Jet A1 to power our diesel engines when I used to fuel airplanes for a living I managed to get some more work done this weekend. its mostly small stuff and touchups left to do
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Post by bullardino on Oct 21, 2013 9:13:34 GMT -5
Great job, Dylan. You really did justice to the T-64
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Post by dylan on Oct 22, 2013 11:36:12 GMT -5
Thanks again Luigi, I wish I had more time to devote to my modeling etc. I usually only have an hour or so to myself these days, so if I dont respond for a few days it's because I dont have the time. cheers everyone, hopefully I will have it done by the end of the month
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Post by sturmbird on Oct 22, 2013 13:35:09 GMT -5
great build first of all!!
The gas turbine powered tanks used "T1" and "TS-1" fuels most of the time, but the engine would also run on RT and L,Z, and A type diesel fuels. The fire issues was traced to the vertical standing rounds in the ready position for the auto loader. The rounds were caseless, and easy to ignite with a side hit from an ATGW.
The very early T80 used a similar turret to the T64, and was made of a cast steel alloy. The hull was welded armor plate gary
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Post by iking on Nov 20, 2013 1:50:57 GMT -5
nice, clean build dylan! good job! cheers! iking
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