F4U-1A Corsair- 9/30 - DONE!

[Leon]

Nice start on the painting Marc!

[JimD]

That's what I call it too. But I ripped it off. Lol. I've seen that it's starting to get some love from other folks too.

[wing_nut]

Thank doogs. I couldn't remember if it was a build of yours or Jimmy's that I recall 1st seeing this. I looked at your site but only saw the 3 layer technique that I kind of felt was a toss up as being the most popular with basic pre-shading. Did I just miss a write on black basing?

Thanks Leon

Just about all we do is "ripped off" Hard to come up with an original idea these days. But if you do oyu get name it somersetting cool like "The Spanish School"

When I started doing mostly armor there was weathering techniques that a lot of aircraft guys had not heard of. I am already thinking this would work quite well on a piece of armor. Nice to see the techniques flow both ways.

[JimD]

May 30, 2015 10:56:57 GMT -5 wing_nut said:

Thank doogs. I couldn't remember if it was a build of yours or Jimmy's that I recall 1st seeing this. I looked at your site but only saw the 3 layer technique that I kind of felt was a toss up as being the most popular with basic pre-shading. Did I just miss a write on black basing?

Thanks Leon

Just about all we do is "ripped off" Hard to come up with an original idea these days. But if you do oyu get name it somersetting cool like "The Spanish School"

When I started doing mostly armor there was weathering techniques that a lot of aircraft guys had not heard of. I am already thinking this would work quite well on a piece of armor. Nice to see the techniques flow both ways.

He did a black basing article

doogsmodels.com/2014/07/03/technique-black-basing/

I had been painting over black for a while years back. I'm not sure why because I wasn't working it the way I do now...just spray black and bomb paint over it...for whatever reason. Didn't come back to it when I returned to the hobby.

It was most definitely Matt that you saw do it first (between the two of us). I tried the blending thing he did on the Spit for a few builds and after I saw the black base thing I tried it. I'm not too full of original ideas here lol. I just usually end up doing what I see others do that lends results I like.

[wbill76]

I like the 'black basing' title, gives it a sinister feel! Nice progress Marc, looking good.

[bbrowniii]

Wing_nut

She's looking great. Love the paint work so far.

So, what is the technique that Jimmy and Doogs have mastered? Do you spray a bunch of dots in varying intensity and then overspray with the same color?

Whatever you've done, it is looking pretty cool.

[TRM]

Outstanding job so far Marc! The paint is looking fantastic!

Doogs is just a sinister kind of guy!! Black-Bashing is the perfect name! Thanks Jimmy, I was looking for that article!! Thanks Doogs for putting it together! I would look at it as "Stealing"...at least in my book...LOL!! Use these techniques, get comfortable with it and the expand on them if you can! It's what it's all about!

[dupes]

Certainly looks interesting at this point...probably a bit better with some more of the outer colors, though.

[wing_nut]

Yeah I like this black-basing thingy. It's the next logical steps up from the basic pre-shade, which I think could still be incorporated.

Dupes, do you mean another layer of the top coat color. These pic don't really show what the final result looks like.

I am getting ready to do the front half of the airframe that is the sea blue. Pretty dark so I am thinking of using the same lighter blue on the sides as the spotty undercoating and building up the thin layers of he bark blue. Unless you black-basers have that all worked out already i am all ears.


Base coloring for the 3 tone aft half is done. As I said before, you can't see the subtle variations in tone.  Rudder will be the sea blue like the front.




I am putting these up cuz i remember not to long ago when I mentioned using Bare Metal Foil as a mask i mentioned it can be used for more than canopies. I am also going to use it to mask off the front and back halves since the dark blue and lighter blue form the rear are split on the canopy frame.

[JimD]

Nice. I'm gonna have to get some foil. I'm not using black basing on my current F-4 build..and you know what I can tell you about that? Simple...I should have black based. Lol. If you do it right it's incredible...you're doing it right too.

This is going to be one cool Corsair, my friend.

[wbill76]

More progress in the paint department is always a good thing! I'd say your 'grandpa mojo' is at maximum.

[aeroaustin]

Look so good so far, can't wait to see the finish color scheme.

[wing_nut]

Thanks for the reminder Jimmy. I need to check in on the F-4.

Grandpa Mojo... I love it. It's amazing how something can fill your thoughts.

Thanks areo

[dupes]

Oh yeah...that's the ticket. Looking mucho better!

[doogsatx/]

May 31, 2015 7:59:54 GMT -5 TRM said:

Outstanding job so far Marc! The paint is looking fantastic!

Doogs is just a sinister kind of guy!! Black-Bashing is the perfect name! Thanks Jimmy, I was looking for that article!! Thanks Doogs for putting it together! I would look at it as "Stealing"...at least in my book...LOL!! Use these techniques, get comfortable with it and the expand on them if you can! It's what it's all about!

Gladly! I don't know if I can call it an "original" - others have done it, but when I wrote that post last year I'd never seen anyone apply it to the overall paintwork of an aircraft. I actually adapted it from a technique I'd been using for painting up cockpits.

To answer a few questions about the technique overall, it starts with a black base...



Then what I call a "marble" coat. The goal is here is patchy and random. It's also the time to add any color variations if you're planning on them.



Then the blending coat (or coats) with highly thinned paint.



Here it is on my Corsair, in combination with chipping...



The one big thing I'd add - that Jimmy pointed out - is that it does tend to darken colors, so it's probably a good idea to lighten what you'll be throwing down.

[JimD]

And guys, I don't know if Matt will ever be able to post the complete recce 109 build since it's published in The Weathering Magazine, but I recommend getting a copy of that issue because his 109 is some of the best modeling I've ever seen...the paintwork is superlative.

[doogsatx/]

Jun 1, 2015 10:32:34 GMT -5 JimD said:

And guys, I don't know if Matt will ever be able to post the complete recce 109 build since it's published in The Weathering Magazine, but I recommend getting a copy of that issue because his 109 is some of the best modeling I've ever seen...the paintwork is superlative.

Yeah I'm a bit hobbled...but if people happen to click this link there's not much I can do about it... doogsmodels.smugmug.com/32ScaleAircraft/132-Trumpeter-Bf-109G10U4R2/

[JimD]

I didn't realize you had the finished pics up. There's a lot of great stuff in that magazine. Just really dig the job on the 109. Great stuff.

[doogsatx/]

Thanks! I felt like it was a hell of a rush job, but it came together rather well in the end!

[Rick]

Marc, your bird is looking great. Love the various techniques your using. This site is great for learning cause everyone shares details. I've already noted several new things to try on my next oversized project. The Typhoon wore me out so I'm trying to get a couple mostly built shelf queens done before diving into another. Keep up the great work. She's a beauty

Rick

[wing_nut]

No doubt this is one of those benchmark moments often discussed... pulling off all the masking tape to see the results.

Still have some ways to go to get the black-basing perfect but there is no denying that this is now a technique that will used often.

With the sea blue being so dark I used the intermediate blue as the base. The fabric areas where covered a bit more solidly to give it a more variance to the metal parts.




Right wing done.




And the "peel it all off" moment of truth. I plan to go back and selectively lighten the panels ten blend it all together

[Leon]

Looking really good Marc!

[JimD]

I think you've got it down pretty well. This scheme is going to be really refreshing. I don't recall seeing one, and unique is always a cool thing. Keep at it!

[dupes]

That's pretty frickin' sweet Wingy!

[doogsatx/]

Nice! That's definitely a distinctive scheme!

[Tojo72]

Ta-Da !!! I'm liking the look already.

[wbill76]

Got to love that result for sure! The frankenscheme looks great.

[bbrowniii]

There it is!!! Looks great, Wing_nut!!

[wing_nut]

Thanks so much for the comments guys. Really appreciate them.


A long time ago I was doing a Spitfire from NZ and went on the AMI board to get some info. What a huge amount of info I got too. So I went there looking for something on his bird. A guy mentioned the decal sheet got it wrong and the discussion yielded this photo. Notice the demarcation line is further forward and you can clearly see on the left wing the sea blue only comes back about 1/3 from leading edge.




I posted pics i had from a bone yard that backs up the decal sheet that he had not seen.



So far more question than answers. His pic is the left side and mine is the right. 2 different time frames? His is still operational and mine is not. Is his one of the planes that was joined? Is it an even more weird scheme than thought and the 2 sides are that different? What would the underside have looked like? That would have been cool build. I decided to stay with my original plan. But the wing with the sea blue on the front part did look pretty cool. Maybe I'll do a 1/48 version since that decal sheet is available in the scale.

One thing I did notice, and not until I had finished the painting, that i can't see a line on the side that would indicate intermediate side and navy blue spine. But the vertical stab is lighter with that bit of darker color at the base.  No line due to lighting angle maybe?

Whatever!  Here's the final base coloring after the touch ups and before decals and weathering.



The benching mentioned is temporary to start something that has a deadline. A teaser for that to be posted soon.

[Leon]

WOW!!! Big differance in the two photos Marc! Your finished color scheme looks great.