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Post by daveb714 on Mar 1, 2015 6:15:56 GMT -5
Five days into Operation Barbarossa, 7 Panzer Division as part of Army Group North had, along with 18. Pz.Div., trapped three Soviet armies in a pocket west of Minsk. Three days later they outflanked the Soviet 20th Army near Smolensk threatening it with encirclement. My first project for the Barbarossa Group Build will be a diorama featuring a Sd.Kfz.265 Pz.1 command vehicle serving as a “Filmpanzer” assigned to a propaganda company filming and photographing the rapid German advance into Soviet Russia. Near the small town of Liorzno (Belarus) just south of the main road to Smolensk, a KV-2 of the Soviet 14th Armored Division of the 7th Mechanized Corps abandoned due to mechanical problems has attracted the attention of German troops. A propaganda company photographer seizes the opportunity to fire off a few 35mm shots as the Pz1 passes the scene. I will build the Dragon #6218 “Sd.Kfz. 265 kleine Panzerbefehlswagen” , the Trumpeter #312 KV-2 and figures sourced from Tristar, ICM, Masterbox, and Dragon. Inspiration for the KV-2 came from Barbarossa 1941, one of Kagero's “miniTopcolors” titles (#25). Thanks to Scott Fraser, I was able to find several photos of this KV-2 taken at different times (and from a variety of angles) during the German advance. The Trumpeter kit should require minimal effort to match the machine in the photos. The Filmpanzer is also profiled in the Kagero book but I will be taking liberty (artistic license?) by placing 7.Pz.Div. markings on the tank rather than the 11.Pz.Div. depicted in the photo and profile. 11.Pz.Div. was part of Army Group South in the initial stages of Barbarossa so would not have been in the area of Liorzno. I plan to add an interior to the Dragon kit by casting a resin copy of the interior from the Dragon Flakpanzer I (#6220) released after the #6218 kit. I intend to build the Flakpanzer at some point and don't want to steal its interior for use in the Filmpanzer. Plus, once the molds are cast, I can use them to produce copies for several other Panzer 1's I have in the stash. I wish I had picked up the Tristar Pz.1 interior while it was still available. It's substantially more complete than the Dragon offering but, since not much of it will be seen anyhow, the Dragon copy will suffice with a little dressing up. I plan to start with the Pz.I, paint the figures for a breather, and then tackle the KV-2. After that, everything will be worked into the diorama. Part of my interest in modeling this scenario is seeing the tiny Pz.I next to the KV-2 and the contrast in size between the two. You can understand the Germans' shock when they first encountered KV-1's and KV-2's in the opening stages of Barbarossa. Considering the Panzerwaffe consisted of Pz.I's and variants, Pz.II's, 38(t) and 35(t)'s, with their largest tanks being Pz.III's and Pz.IV's, it's not surprising the KV's were such a rude awakening...and objects of fascination judging by the number of troops clambering over and having their pictures taken on abandoned vehicles. It should be a fun project.
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Post by Deano on Mar 1, 2015 7:30:25 GMT -5
Buckled up and ready to go !
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Post by dierk on Mar 1, 2015 8:23:20 GMT -5
Nice choice of subject! Really like Trumpy's KV kits, cheap and not much wrong with them. I'm assuming you're going to replace the kit barrel?
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Post by Wes on Mar 1, 2015 9:46:47 GMT -5
This should be fun to watch Dave. Count me in.
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Post by 406 Silverado on Mar 1, 2015 9:51:04 GMT -5
Should be interesting. Most of my KV kits have been started so I had to rule those out of this GB.
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Post by deafpanzer on Mar 1, 2015 11:01:52 GMT -5
Can't wait to see this...
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Post by daveb714 on Mar 1, 2015 11:15:05 GMT -5
Dierk--I'm trying to locate the Lion Roar set 35060 that includes the barrel and some nice photo etch sheets but it's long out of production and proving hard to find. The only place I've seen it is on eBay from someone in China and I've had one too many bad experiences with eBay to go that route. So, I may have to pick up the Jordi Rubio.
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Post by dupes on Mar 1, 2015 14:07:41 GMT -5
Lucky Model claims a "2-3 week restock" period on that set...completely bogus?
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Post by bbrowniii on Mar 1, 2015 15:14:30 GMT -5
Mmmmmm.... that Filmpanzer is pretty stinkin' cool. Never seen that before. Great subject!
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Post by daveb714 on Mar 1, 2015 15:22:52 GMT -5
Dupes-- I saw that but took it with a grain of salt. It was released in 2005 and has been oop for some time. My LHS owner who is really good about finding stuff can't source it through any of his distributors. I requested notification from Lucky Models should it become available but won't hold my breath. I'll probably bite the bullet and pick it up on eBay.
bbrowniiiYeah, I thought it was pretty cool, too. Not something you see everyday. Now I just have to scratch build a convincing 30's era cine camera and ball mount.
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Post by bbrowniii on Mar 1, 2015 17:33:55 GMT -5
bbrowniiiYeah, I thought it was pretty cool, too. Not something you see everyday. Now I just have to scratch build a convincing 30's era cine camera and ball mount. I know that in the DML Tiger I Initial (6252) there is a set of figs, one of whom has a movie camera (as if he is filming the tank for propaganda purposes). I'm not sure if it is the right camera, but it might work. In fact, I'll double check - I may actually have an extra set of those figures, in which case you are welcome to the whole set. Shoot me a PM if you think you'd be interested.
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daveb714
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Post by daveb714 on Mar 1, 2015 18:37:55 GMT -5
bbrowniiiYeah, I thought it was pretty cool, too. Not something you see everyday. Now I just have to scratch build a convincing 30's era cine camera and ball mount. I know that in the DML Tiger I Initial (6252) there is a set of figs, one of whom has a movie camera (as if he is filming the tank for propaganda purposes). I'm not sure if it is the right camera, but it might work. In fact, I'll double check - I may actually have an extra set of those figures, in which case you are welcome to the whole set. Shoot me a PM if you think you'd be interested. Duh! I have that kit in the stash but totally forgot about the figure set!! Thanks for the reminder...and the offer, though. I had planned to use an old ICM figure holding a 35mm camera but one of the DML figures might work. I'm still not sure what kind of camera we're looking at in the photo. I'm assuming it's 16mm but it looks a bit large and oddly shaped for that format. And, it's definitely too small for 35mm which would not likely be equipment schlepped about in a combat zone anyhow. More research required.
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Post by dupes on Mar 1, 2015 18:55:29 GMT -5
Totally forgot about the camera guys in 6252. Should be perfect!
Bummer about that set. Didn't realize LR was doing such short runs on stuff.
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daveb714
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Post by daveb714 on Mar 1, 2015 20:01:42 GMT -5
I know that in the DML Tiger I Initial (6252) there is a set of figs, one of whom has a movie camera (as if he is filming the tank for propaganda purposes). I'm not sure if it is the right camera, but it might work. In fact, I'll double check - I may actually have an extra set of those figures, in which case you are welcome to the whole set. Shoot me a PM if you think you'd be interested. Duh! I have that kit in the stash but totally forgot about the figure set!! Thanks for the reminder...and the offer, though. I had planned to use an old ICM figure holding a 35mm camera but one of the DML figures might work. I'm still not sure what kind of camera we're looking at in the photo. I'm assuming it's 16mm but it looks a bit large and oddly shaped for that format. And, it's definitely too small for 35mm which would not likely be equipment schlepped about in a combat zone anyhow. More research required. Well, live and learn. It looks like the camera in the Pz.1 is 35mm cine format. Evidently, Technicolor three-color movie cameras were first used in 1934 and were used in the front lines to shoot propaganda films. So now I have a reference for modeling one. Here's an example of a 1930's 35mm film camera:
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Post by Leon on Mar 1, 2015 20:19:01 GMT -5
Looking forward to seeing you tackle the camera Dave!
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Post by daveb714 on Mar 3, 2015 13:32:35 GMT -5
Got a start on the Pz.1. Finished the chassis and am starting to cast a resin interior from masters sourced from another kit. Hard to believe such a small model comes with so many parts: What's really scary are the indy link tracks. These things are tiny! Hope they include a few extra because I'm certain to break a few of these getting them off the trees. Here's where I am at this point. Anyone who knows Pz.1's and looks closely will see I goofed. This Dragon kit of the B model comes with the incorrect idlers...i.e. ones for the A (solid rubber) instead of separate outer rim discs on the B. I knew this but was caught up in the build and didn't notice until the wrong ones were solidly glued in place. I guess I have three options: (1) leave as is and hope no one notices (2)steal a pair from another Dragon kit, saw off and replace the incorrect ones (3)the time-consuming but most likely choice of trying to cast a pair in resin since I plan to build the other Pz1B at some point. Here's what they should be: Casting a two-part mold for something this small and complex will be taxing my skills as a "caster" but I'll give it a shot just to see if I can do it. The materials are lined up and the mold is in the works. Will check in later with the results.
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Post by BJ on Mar 3, 2015 14:18:59 GMT -5
Very Cool, Can't wait to see how this all comes out
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Post by threadbear on Mar 3, 2015 15:47:39 GMT -5
Watching with interest.
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Post by dierk on Mar 4, 2015 11:55:29 GMT -5
Good luck with the casting! PM sent
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Post by Jelly on Mar 4, 2015 14:10:39 GMT -5
Hey there, excellent depiction of the historic background, this seems to be a very well documented build : )) Apart from that, a casting show ! Later daveb, Jelly
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Post by daveb714 on Mar 4, 2015 14:36:41 GMT -5
Hey there, excellent depiction of the historic background, this seems to be a very well documented build : )) Apart from that, a casting show ! Later daveb, Jelly Thanks, Jelly. To me the research and all you learn from it is one of my favorite parts of the hobby. I thought I might as well share a bit of it. I hope I continue to thoroughly document the build. Sometimes when you're in the groove it's easy to forget to pick up the camera until it's too late. . PS It remains to be seen how the casting goes
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Post by daveb714 on Mar 5, 2015 12:38:41 GMT -5
Did some marathon mold making and casting sessions the past couple days. Here's a mold box constructed from Legos ready for the silicone pour: And here are a couple more molds of smaller parts with resin setting up in finished molds. The Legos really come in handy for creating molds but tend to leak mold material between cracks in the blocks if they aren't firmly seated. No big deal but it's a waste of silicone and requires extra cleanup. A closeup of of some of the finished molds: And...some resin cast parts. BTW, it you missed an earlier posting, the masters are from a Dragon Flakpanzer 1A kit (#6220) The transmission required a two-part mold which, for a first attempt at a two-part mold, turned out perfectly. The trickiest part is pouring the resin so that any void-producing air bubbles are eliminated. After one botched attempt, I learned the proper technique and cast four perfect replicas. This is my second casting. No voids, great detail and all that needs to be done is to clean up the mold seam lines. Here's the start of a two-part mold for the Pz1B idlers. The part is imbedded in clay which is boxed in and then your first layer of silicone is poured. After the silicone is set, the clay has to be removed from the mold without disturbing the seal between the silicone and the part. Breaking the seal could possibly allow silicone from your second pour to seep under a part and compromise its detail. Finally, here are the cast parts dry fitted in the model. A perfect drop-in fit. All that will have to be done is some sanding to reduce the thickness of a couple parts, adding seats, an instrument panel, levers, etc. and slap on some paint.
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Post by dierk on Mar 5, 2015 13:03:29 GMT -5
Impressive work - I'm in awe
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Post by threadbear on Mar 5, 2015 16:28:19 GMT -5
Impressive casting!
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Post by bbrowniii on Mar 5, 2015 18:47:06 GMT -5
Wow! Thanks for the casting lesson. That was great. Very nice work so far!!
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Post by Leon on Mar 5, 2015 19:10:37 GMT -5
Very impressive work Dave! Your castings look great.
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Post by daveb714 on Mar 5, 2015 19:15:04 GMT -5
Thanks, guys. For a first attempt I'm really happy with how everything turned out. It's not that hard to do. Just calls for patience and attention to detail. Of course those are attributes modelers already have so anyone should be able to do it.
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Post by bullardino on Mar 7, 2015 15:57:42 GMT -5
Impressive is the right word I will follow
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Post by reserve on Mar 7, 2015 19:05:51 GMT -5
Nifty cool job on an unusual subject. You're right, those tracks will be evil, worse than the Panzer II I recently completed. Lookin good
Regards, Mark
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Post by daveb714 on Mar 7, 2015 20:35:35 GMT -5
Nifty cool job on an unusual subject. You're right, those tracks will be evil, worse than the Panzer II I recently completed. Lookin good Regards, Mark Thanks, Mark. I've been putting off doing the tracks but can't avoid it any long. Looks like tomorrow is the day. Dave
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