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Post by tcoat on Apr 26, 2023 11:42:23 GMT -5
I know this subject was very sensitive on another forum (somehow people seemed to think the info could be used against everybody?) but many here have already at least hinted at their service. Knowing who did what when can really be a plus for military modelers so anybody that wants to chime in please do. I will kick things off with what where and when. Canadian Armed Force Land Element (We didn't call them Army, Navy or Air Force back then) 1976 - 1983 Germany, Lebanon (UN), Egypt (UN), Darn near every airbase in Canada Corporal (U.S. E-5 equivalent) Mobile Support Equipment Operator mainly driving fuel trucks (aircraft and vehicles) and recovery vehicles Navy Reserve (Yes they changed back) 1987 - 2003 Canada, U.S., International waters Lieutenant (Navy) (Retired as an Acting Lieutenant Commander) Damage Control, Training, Control of Merchant Shipping Work a lot with the US units in Germany and was made an honorary member of one unit. Reforger 1977
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Post by Steve Zuleski on Apr 26, 2023 12:23:56 GMT -5
Excellent! Myself, I was a Cold Warrior as well, USAF.
I was a "load toad", or "muzzle plugger", in ramp parlance. That's "weapons loader" for the uninitiated, lol. Hey, at least I wasn't a "butt plugger", engine mechanic, HA! The F-15 engine is removed and installed from the rear. I wasn't a queertron or wire chasers, that's an electronics specialist, nor a gas station attendant, fuels. Ah, there's all kinds of names for aircraft maintenance guys.
I was stationed in New Mexico, Holloman AFB twice betwixt 83-88, also Howard AFB, Panama 85-87. I've worked on F-15's, 16's, O2's, A-37's, UH-1N's, A-7's, T-38's, and even got to pin an A-10 at the recovery ramp. Panama was a 2yr beach party, loved it, but Happy Holloman, well,..........let's just say I was wondering who I pissed off to get stationed there, in the middle of nowhere, HA!
I enjoyed my time in the USAF in the 80's, good times.
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Post by stikpusher on Apr 26, 2023 12:46:40 GMT -5
Ok I’ll play too. I was regular Army ‘83 - ‘87, then National Guard ‘88 - ‘07. I was Mech Infantry at Ft Polk for my full time stint, then had a lot more fun and variety in the Guard, serving in Mech Infantry 88-90, 19th SF Group Intel 90-93, and lastly Long Range Surveillance 94-07. During my time in the Guard I saw a lot more of the world, including an 18 month mobilization & deployment to the Balkans from late 04 to early 06 for hunting down war criminals. I do miss it so, but I got too old to be jumping and humping with kids half my age…🤨 age 40
Landing for a package pick up
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Post by tcoat on Apr 26, 2023 12:51:53 GMT -5
It was funny that twice in one month when looking up pictures on the internet during discussions on model forums I came across totally random ones I didn't even know existed. Searched up "Canadian Deuce" and this one popped up. That is me standing behind the truck. And the 1977 Tiger meet in Germany there is a picture of the CF-104 I was refueling. I am not in the shot but I was the guy doing the job.
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Post by tcoat on Apr 26, 2023 12:57:27 GMT -5
age 21 DUDE! You are going the WRONG WAY!
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Post by stikpusher on Apr 26, 2023 13:04:52 GMT -5
Lol! I gave my buddy my camera so he could take my picture 😉 Rucking backwards! 🥵
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Post by garydavis on Apr 26, 2023 14:43:58 GMT -5
Hey tcoat...don't see the pic. I'll chime in here. Went in the ARMY 70 to 77. Did basic at Ft ORD, Ca. and AIT at Ft Lewis. Did about 14 months with the 3rd Armour Cav. Transfered to 296 MP company (went to 2 months Schooling for that at Ft. Lewis) Came down on levy and was headed to Germany. Went to the 503rd MP co. out of Frankfurt. The Company had 4 platoons and ea. platoon was stationed at different Kaserns(posts). I was the first platton stationed at Ayers Kasern ("THE ROCK") in Kirsch-Goins. That was when I did my first REFORGER. Here's a pic of the Rock... Here's the T.O.C Detail on REFORGER in the hills around Hohenfels, Germany This was my first tour. Second tour was in Schwabach, 1/1 Cav at O'brian Barracks just south of Nuremberg Germany. This is REFORGER #2 in the motor pool(at Grafenwoehr) just before heading out to play war. The guy that's with me there is my Platoon Sgt. SFC Hinton...Cool guy.... That's my 113 I'm standing next to.
Loaded up and ready to go...
I thought I had loaded those pics in my computer, but I guess I need to do that. I'll be back a little later with those pics. In the mean time...Take 10....expect 5...and only get 3. Smoke'em if you got'em. Don't forget to field strip those butt's! LOL
OK....Back with the pics I didn't load in earlier.
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Post by armornutii on Apr 26, 2023 18:54:29 GMT -5
Enlisted U.S. Navy 1986, boot camp Great Lakes, Ill. 1987. NAS/NATTC Memphis, Millington, Tn. Aviation Electricians Mate " A" school. First duty was VAQ-131 " Lancers" NAS Whidbey Is. Wa. EA-6B Prowlers. 2 West Pac deployments, second being ODS/S aboard USS Ranger CV-61. Re-enlisted for gov't conveinence July 1989 as an E-4 aboard the USS Arizona Memorial, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Returned from ODS/S, re-enlisted for shore duty at VAQ-129 "Vikings" still Prowlers, stayed an E-4 as my rate was closed, not promoting, and I had....issues.... Finally EAOSed Oct11 1994 1158am, not that I remember. Between 6&8 months later enlisted in the Army Nat'l Guard 3rd Bt 161Inf Mech in Kent Wa, transfered to 1st of 168 Heavy Lift ( Aviation) Ft Lewis....desided I was a better sailor than soldier so after almost 2yrs I ended my public service. May not have been the best however I was proud to put the uniforms on. Had things been just alittle different I would be drawing retirement as well as disability comp.
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Post by 406 Silverado on Apr 26, 2023 19:16:00 GMT -5
What a great thread. It's very interesting to see the backgrounds of our members here. Fantastic personal photos shared by all portraying a small snippet into the history of your service. Tony: What an awesome background. I've never been involved with Reforger but I knew alot of folks who were while in was in. Steve: That's quite an array of aircraft that you worked on. Jeez!! Rotary AND fixed wing stuff. Carlos: I hear what you're saying about keeping up with the younger crowd. I ran into that when I was in the guard as well and I was in my mid 30's. lol Perry: Wow!! You served at the Pearl Harbor memorial? What did you do there? I had an 8-1/2 year enlistment in active duty Army as a UH-1H crewchief from '87 to late 1995. A job that I still miss to this day. After that I enlisted in the Guard in Mechanized Infantry in 2000 as a wheeled vehicle mechanic where I worked as part of an M88 recovery crew. Interesting job. I don't have any pictures of the 88 days but I do have one that was posted in the Stars and Stripes while I was at Fort Hood. and a couple while we were in NTC My buddy took this shot of the aircraft that I was crewing as we were landing at the airstrip there:
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Post by tcoat on Apr 26, 2023 19:35:06 GMT -5
Enlisted U.S. Navy 1986, boot camp Great Lakes, Ill. 1987. NAS/NATTC Memphis, Millington, Tn. Aviation Electricians Mate " A" school. First duty was VAQ-131 " Lancers" NAS Whidbey Is. Wa. EA-6B Prowlers. 2 West Pac deployments, second being ODS/S aboard USS Ranger CV-61. Re-enlisted for gov't conveinence July 1989 as an E-4 aboard the USS Arizona Memorial, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. Returned from ODS/S, re-enlisted for shore duty at VAQ-129 "Vikings" still Prowlers, stayed an E-4 as my rate was closed, not promoting, and I had....issues.... Finally EAOSed Oct11 1994 1158am, not that I remember. Between 6&8 months later enlisted in the Army Nat'l Guard 3rd Bt 161Inf Mech in Kent Wa, transfered to 1st of 168 Heavy Lift ( Aviation) Ft Lewis....desided I was a better sailor than soldier so after almost 2yrs I ended my public service. May not have been the best however I was proud to put the uniforms on. Had things been just alittle different I would be drawing retirement as well as disability comp. Model of the VQ-1 EA-3 Skywarrior that I built for a buddy of mine that served on as one of the EW techs on the Ranger in the mid eighties.
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Post by armornutii on Apr 26, 2023 20:01:16 GMT -5
Sorry for the mis understanding about Pearl. I never served in Hawaii, it was my first West Pac, I had enlisted as a 3×8. 3 active, 4 active reserve, 4 inactive. My command retention officer convinced me that re-enlisting for 2yrs to make my contract 4×4 would be " a good thing". I had the HONOR and Privledge to do it while aboard the Memorial at Revellie. I was promised a flag...got a pen, and 2yrs of " petty officer Stevens is the best man " for whatever s*** job, flight deck scrub-ex, aircraft washes, unrep working parties...., a particular E-7 could dish out. Not bitter, not mad, I did my part to bring it on. Well maybe alittle, and I NEVER got my flag. Like I owned up to, I may have not been the best sailir/ soldier, but I am proud to have worn the uniforms. BTW COOL WHALE Tcoat
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Post by jeaton01 on Apr 27, 2023 0:34:42 GMT -5
I was in the California Army National Guard 49th Avn Bn from 66 to 72, primarily a CH-37 Mojave unit. Went to school at Ft Eustis as 67Q20, OH-13, OH-23, H-19, and H-34 maintenance. Got into a little spot there when I told a CWO (pilot) he was wrong about how the flight control systems on the H-34 worked. For about a week nobody talked to me, they didn't want any of that rubbing off on them. But it came out that I was right, so that was fun. Then just before they sent us home they gave us all a real army medical exam and found out I was color blind, but being the Army they didn't know what to do with me so they graduated me and sent me back to my unit where I ended up as an E-5 Tech Inspector checking other peoples work on CH-37's, H-19's, L-19's, U-6's, UH-1's, OH-13's, OH-23's and the last year we got CH-47A's. Got some stick time in the L-19, U-6, and H-13 as I already had a civilian commercial pilot's license then. Having just gotten an Airframe and Powerplant Mechanic license made the guard eager to enlist me in 66, and I was surprised that our unit never got sent to the spa in the far east. A picture of one of our CH-37's I took at summer camp at Camp San Luis Obispo: I can't believe they actually checked me out to do ground run-ups on this beast.
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Post by tcoat on Apr 27, 2023 8:27:25 GMT -5
I worked as part of an M88 recovery crew. Interesting job. I did mostly fueling but was trained and worked a few months in 1980 on the M816 5 ton recovery wrecker. When I went to a base for my Captain Qualification course in 1997 I was wandering through the outdoor vehicle museum and found the very truck I had operated. Do you have any idea how old you feel when the equipment you used every day is now a museum piece?
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Post by 406 Silverado on Apr 27, 2023 10:57:01 GMT -5
I worked as part of an M88 recovery crew. Interesting job. I did mostly fueling but was trained and worked a few months in 1980 on the M816 5 ton recovery wrecker. When I went to a base for my Captain Qualification course in 1997 I was wandering through the outdoor vehicle museum and found the very truck I had operated. Do you have any idea how old you feel when the equipment you used every day is now a museum piece?
I do....... This.....was a Huey that was in my unit at Fort Hood and that I flew on/crewed on multiple occasions. It is now on display at Darnall Hospital on Fort Hood. You're right though, it'll give a guy an age check quick.
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Post by stikpusher on Apr 27, 2023 11:41:22 GMT -5
Do you have any idea how old you feel when the equipment you used every day is now a museum piece? You mean like Woodland BDUs, Steel pots, and the M60 machine gun? And a selfie, before they were called selfies, taken with a Kodak instamatic?
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Post by garydavis on Apr 27, 2023 14:34:18 GMT -5
I worked as part of an M88 recovery crew. Interesting job. I did mostly fueling but was trained and worked a few months in 1980 on the M816 5 ton recovery wrecker. When I went to a base for my Captain Qualification course in 1997 I was wandering through the outdoor vehicle museum and found the very truck I had operated. Do you have any idea how old you feel when the equipment you used every day is now a museum piece? Boy tcoat...I sure do...this is the M114 Scout vehicle that I TC'd while at Ft Lewis in the 3rd Amour Cav. in 1971. (before that unit moved to Ft Bliss) I think this pic was taken at the Museum at ft. Lewis.
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Post by stikpusher on Apr 27, 2023 15:03:09 GMT -5
Gary, they must have moved the Museum at Ft Lewis, because when we were there in '04 they had a nice new brick building facility. None of those WWII barracks left except on North Fort where they billeted us Guard & Reserve troops being mobilized and trained up to go do our part...
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Post by tcoat on Apr 27, 2023 15:40:05 GMT -5
Do you have any idea how old you feel when the equipment you used every day is now a museum piece? You mean like Woodland BDUs, Steel pots, and the M60 machine gun? And a selfie, before they were called selfies, taken with a Kodak instamatic? LOL Steel pots, aluminum canteens basic green combat uniform's were still used for years after I left. The M60 would have been positively modern by Canadian Army equipment standards. As a driver this was the weapon that was still the standard Canadian issue in the 70s. And the grunts still ran around with these for another decade before they were replaced with the C7 (M16)
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Post by tcoat on Apr 27, 2023 15:47:51 GMT -5
How about this stylin' piece of '70s street wear?
Reforger '77 for some reason there was not a local girl between the age of 16 and 25 to be seen.
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Post by 406 Silverado on Apr 27, 2023 16:33:20 GMT -5
That looks like a dang Sten Tony. WOW!!!
Cool photo dude. Aint those older photographs the bee's knees??! I have all sorts of photos from early life and if I didn't know the person in the photo I'd never be able to recognize them for all the graininess. lol
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Post by tcoat on Apr 27, 2023 18:04:48 GMT -5
Here are a couple more. Another random one from the internet that I found while looking for village references for my own pictures. Anybody want to guess who the dude in the helmet is? That was number three truck. The first two (including me) were not stuck by the cows. The guy driving the truck pictured is the one with his arms up in the back here. And there I am when the previously posted jacket was still dark blue (and fit) My truck was a few hundred yards up the road at the POL point. And when done fueling we hid. The next day I got a free beer from the company commander because my truck was the only one the choppers couldn't find in a quick fly over.
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Post by garydavis on Apr 27, 2023 18:15:39 GMT -5
Gary, they must have moved the Museum at Ft Lewis, because when we were there in '04 they had a nice new brick building facility. None of those WWII barracks left except on North Fort where they billeted us Guard & Reserve troops being mobilized and trained up to go do our part... Het stik...The musem was the old Post Generals house on the west side of I-5. They turned that into the post Museum before I got there in 71. It looks like a FRICK'IN Mansion. I really don't know if it's still there or not. Haven't been there in yrs. The last time I was on ft. Lewis was when my band, "HEARTLAND" played for the 2/75 Ranger Battalion picnic on American Lake, North Fort....June 10 2010. It was really cold that day with the wind kick'in butt. I'm on the Drums way back there in the back... It's still there.Here's a few pictures of the Museum....
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Post by moramartht on Apr 27, 2023 18:43:37 GMT -5
Submachine Gun 9 mm C1? The Canadian version of the Sterling SMG introduced in 1958 making more use of stamped components, and a 10 round magazine for AFV crews. The Sterling itself started life as the Patchett Machine Carbine Mark 1 during 1944 as a much superior replacement for the Sten, but wasn't actually adopted by the British Army until 1953. The Sterling used curved magazines from a variety of manufacturers, the best of which contributed to it's reliability and improved performance; the Sterling could also use Sten and Lanchester magazines but not the other way round.
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Post by tcoat on Apr 27, 2023 18:59:13 GMT -5
Submachine Gun 9 mm C1? The Canadian version of the Sterling SMG introduced in 1958 making more use of stamped components, and a 10 round magazine for AFV crews. The Sterling itself started life as the Patchett Machine Carbine Mark 1 during 1944 as a much superior replacement for the Sten, but wasn't actually adopted by the British Army until 1953. The Sterling used curved magazines from a variety of manufacturers, the best of which contributed to it's reliability and improved performance; the Sterling could also use Sten and Lanchester magazines but not the other way round.
Cheers,
M Yep! The appearance belies just how good they were. I bet I put 100,000 rounds through the things and never had a jamb or misfire. Dirt, water, whatever? No problem just blow it out and pull the trigger (make sure you do in that EXACT order!)
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Post by Medicman71 on May 16, 2023 23:45:35 GMT -5
Some really cool stories and thank you for your service. I went into the Navy in 90 and four weeks later was medically discharged. Apparently you can’t have a heart murmur in the Navy. What pissed me off about it is that I never kept it a secret and told the recruiter. I was just another person for his quota.
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Post by stikpusher on May 17, 2023 12:52:49 GMT -5
Mike, at least you showed up. It always cracks me up when you hear the, “I was gonna join the XXXX, but I didn’t because…” I realize that joining the armed forces isn’t for everybody, but a tip of my hat to anyone who at least made the effort.
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Post by brandonk on May 19, 2023 10:21:06 GMT -5
I normally don't respond to these sorts of queries as I've found throughout my life that even though people say they have interest in your military career, they really don't and are just asking as it seems to fit the social norm at the moment. I didn't serve very long 88-90, but I am proud of the time I did serve. I was in the USAF as a AGE mechanic. "Aerospace Ground Support Equipment" technician. Fancy term for mechanic that fixed and maintained all the equipment used on the flight-line and around base. If it was portable we fixed it. Fun work, but at the time I was very unhappy with life and took Clinton's offer to just get out and go home. Got full benefits and jumped ship. Met my wife shortly thereafter and have been married ever since with two grown boys. I don't regret getting out early as it let to me finding what I was looking for all along. Most folks assume since you were in the military you were somehow in for a long time and in combat. Since I don't feel like going into all this with everyone that asks I just say "yes, I am a vet" and leave it at that.
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Post by tcoat on May 19, 2023 10:42:26 GMT -5
I normally don't respond to these sorts of queries as I've found throughout my life that even though people say they have interest in your military career, they really don't and are just asking as it seems to fit the social norm at the moment. I didn't serve very long 88-90, but I am proud of the time I did serve. I was in the USAF as a AGE mechanic. "Aerospace Ground Support Equipment" technician. Fancy term for mechanic that fixed and maintained all the equipment used on the flight-line and around base. If it was portable we fixed it. Fun work, but at the time I was very unhappy with life and took Clinton's offer to just get out and go home. Got full benefits and jumped ship. Met my wife shortly thereafter and have been married ever since with two grown boys. I don't regret getting out early as it let to me finding what I was looking for all along. Most folks assume since you were in the military you were somehow in for a long time and in combat. Since I don't feel like going into all this with everyone that asks I just say "yes, I am a vet" and leave it at that. Pretty safe topic on most military modeling sites since there is of course an inherent interest by many of the members. At least more than the general public. This subject came up on a car model forum though and had a pile of negative statements. Somehow, somebody, somewhere, was going to take this info and do nasty things with it. Not really sure how and nobody would answer the question. A group of us once heard an Infantry Lieutenant say that the support personnel were not "real" soldiers. He was not impressed later when his platoon was the last to get their hot rations dropped off and was "accidently" left out in the boonies for several hours while waiting on transport. His attitude changed very quickly when his men started to get a bit antsy. Always, always be nice to the people that cook your food, bring you supplies and fix your stuff. ALWAYS!
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Post by stikpusher on May 19, 2023 11:34:28 GMT -5
I normally don't respond to these sorts of queries as I've found throughout my life that even though people say they have interest in your military career, they really don't and are just asking as it seems to fit the social norm at the moment. I didn't serve very long 88-90, but I am proud of the time I did serve. I was in the USAF as a AGE mechanic. "Aerospace Ground Support Equipment" technician. Fancy term for mechanic that fixed and maintained all the equipment used on the flight-line and around base. If it was portable we fixed it. Fun work, but at the time I was very unhappy with life and took Clinton's offer to just get out and go home. Got full benefits and jumped ship. Met my wife shortly thereafter and have been married ever since with two grown boys. I don't regret getting out early as it let to me finding what I was looking for all along. Most folks assume since you were in the military you were somehow in for a long time and in combat. Since I don't feel like going into all this with everyone that asks I just say "yes, I am a vet" and leave it at that. Your job in the Air Force could come in quite useful for those who make aircraft dioramas that are from that era. You do have a subject knowledge for those items that appear with aircraft on a base that the rest of us do not know how to do correctly/accurately.
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Post by armornutii on May 19, 2023 12:01:35 GMT -5
Agree with Stik and Tcoat, EVERY job in the military has a reason, not all of us were " Rock Stars" but the guys who were could not have got the glory if the huffer dudn't start the motor. As for seeing combat....it took me 25plus years to admit and accept that I am a " Combat Vet" my ship launched and recovered strike aircraft during Desert Storm. We sat inside the Persian Gulf for 4mo doing operations, mines, swift boats IRAQI AIRCRAFT all well within range of my carrier, scary stuff. I remember the night we went to GQ for real, 5000 kids with butts puckered so tight we squeaked. Command shined us on feeding us a line of garbage about the situation. So many years later it is released that 2 Iraqi fighters left Um Quasier loaded with Exocet ship kilkers inbound to destroy coalition battke groups in the gulf. Both aircraft were luckily splashed by Saudi F-15s, just a few mikes from us prompting the General Quarters. I saw the flash of one of the exploding jets. Long time before anybody believed me.
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