Gripe about another forum site-Pls Keep Replies Respectful

[406 Silverado]

Nov 23, 2023 10:25:19 GMT -5 chromdome35 said:

Nov 23, 2023 9:17:51 GMT -5 tcoat said:

The "yakky" aspect is one of the things I like most about this forum. I tend to like to talk (as if nobody has noticed) and that sometimes means I inadvertently lead a thread slightly off the tracks because I deviated slightly from the subject at hand. This is the "social" part of the hobby in my mind though. Some forums this is greatly frowned upon and the result is "This is my build" followed by 126 posts of "nice build" or "looks good". Although supportive this is also very boring to read and almost eliminates any form of actual interaction. The forum that Silver recruited me from is very much "stick to the topic you fool" and I actually received some nasty PMs from some members because I had the audacity of recommending something in a build thread without the OP asking. 

I have no clue what a "Manny type" is so don't even know who you were referencing here but I know there was at least one guy on FSM that annoyed me to death since he pretended be an expert/personal experience on everything but if you checked his statements were always cut and paste from Wikipedia. Nothing wrong with cut and paste but don't pretend that it was YOUR personal knowledge. 

What brought me to MSC and drove my desire to see it restored last year was the SOCIAL aspect of this forum. We are Modelers SOCIAL Club so yakkiness is not just tolerated, but HIGHLY encouraged.

I can't speak for others, but for me, the thread tangents, memes, funny gifs, etc. all add to the social nature of the forum. Top that off with the absolute quality of the modelers here who are willing to offer help, advice, constructive criticism and you have something special...MSC!!!

I am really excited for the future, stay tuned folks.....

EXACTLY. Well put Brian.

[406 Silverado]

Nov 23, 2023 23:08:10 GMT -5 kyledehart5 said:

Nov 23, 2023 9:17:51 GMT -5 tcoat said:

The "yakky" aspect is one of the things I like most about this forum. I tend to like to talk (as if nobody has noticed) and that sometimes means I inadvertently lead a thread slightly off the tracks because I deviated slightly from the subject at hand. This is the "social" part of the hobby in my mind though. Some forums this is greatly frowned upon and the result is "This is my build" followed by 126 posts of "nice build" or "looks good". Although supportive this is also very boring to read and almost eliminates any form of actual interaction. The forum that Silver recruited me from is very much "stick to the topic you fool" and I actually received some nasty PMs from some members because I had the audacity of recommending something in a build thread without the OP asking. 

I have no clue what a "Manny type" is so don't even know who you were referencing here but I know there was at least one guy on FSM that annoyed me to death since he pretended be an expert/personal experience on everything but if you checked his statements were always cut and paste from Wikipedia. Nothing wrong with cut and paste but don't pretend that it was YOUR personal knowledge. 

I love getting completely unproductive PMs from folks. There is a fellow on the Motorsports modeling forum that was disagreeable nearly every time I posted and then finally PM’ed me to say I had some nerve posting my work it was so bad. I’m the next sentence he said I had some potential because I enjoy obscure subjects but maybe I should watch some tutorials before posting any more work, because I was really detracting from the subject. I really have no idea what he was trying to accomplish to this day. Lol. Good times.

    Man that is just crazy!! From time to time,  I'll pull someone to the side to PM for constructive criticism so as not to make them feel singled out in front of everyone in the open forum. I most certainly have NEVER pulled someone into a PM to berate or belittle them. That is crazy! Did you report that guy? 

[406 Silverado]

Nov 24, 2023 0:00:07 GMT -5 reserve said:

TC that was some time ago in a thread by one Snidervolley who, at the time, was building a 1/1 SdkFz 222 in his garage. As can be imagined it's a long thread but if you look it up all will be explained

Now THAT......I'm gonna have to check out!!!

[Tojo72]

Nov 24, 2023 9:12:53 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

Nov 23, 2023 10:36:50 GMT -5 Tojo72 said:

I managed to never have s direct interaction with him,never bothered me just ignored him most of the time.

At one time there were so many good people who have moved on or dropped off forums besides the great people who moved over here.

Hans Van Hammer
The Doog
Wingnut
Hinksey
Pvt Mutt

So many more I can't recall.

PS I even got banned once if you can believe it

I'm having trouble picturing this. YOU got banned??!!

As far as the Doog goes......there's a whole story behind that fella.

I texted the Moderator and he said it was because I trashed the magazine in my posts,I actually just said that "I didn't renew my sub because anything the magazine had I could find on the internet".he did reinstste me and put me on probation,Stik got knocked out around the same time.

Doog,yes I know what happened, 5 1/2 years he got,but on the forum he wasn't a troublemaker,always answered questions,and gave great advice.

[406 Silverado]

Nov 24, 2023 4:19:59 GMT -5 Rod The Fixer said:

I don't know if this is the right thread, but reading what you have written, I feel obliged to confirm that around the world there are not many forums where one can find a 'friendly and comfortable atmosphere' like the one created in MSC.

I must say that although I am a "foreigner" (in the sense that it seems to me that the vast majority of forum users are "born in the USA"), I feel more at home here (where in some cases I have to work hard to understand some American idioms or slang expressions) than in many other forums, including Italian ones, where the main activity is not to grow together by comparing and sharing knowledge, but to criticize or insult.

The only real difficulty I have is to connect the names you mention (especially as I believe in some cases you have known each other for some time) with the nicknames used in MSC

Anyway ...
Well done and congratulations on your work.
Bravissimi!

BTW
A little help with the translation ... Can I translate "yakky" with too chatty?

Regards
Rod

Your comments here are HIGHLY appreciated and just go to show that we are achieving what the goal that we are striving for. I'm glad you're here Rod as you help to bring the atmosphere that we have here as well as your skillset as a modeler bud.

[reserve]

Close Rod yakky, at least amongst the crowd I roll with, means friendly and willing to communicate. There are other slang terms for those who talk too much that I'll not repeat here

[brandonk]

What puts me off more than just about anything, except being a D1**, is not commenting on someones work. Be it advise or kudos, it all makes someone feel noticed. Simply popping in and looking over things and bouncing without any effort to comment really kills my motivation to share my work or ideas. I found that over there from the very get go is that I would get tons of traffic to my work but only a few comments. Really steals the incentive to continue. Thus I stopped posting WIPS as I felt it was a waste of time. Apparently no one really cares enough to comment. What I noticed is that only a select few would get any attention and everyone else largely got ignored. Never understood that; feels like school with all the cliques that never welcomed anyone. Anyway, I've been off the bench all year with back issues. Hopefully, when I do get back to it I will get to enjoy the "yakky" crowd for once.

[kyledehart5]

Nov 24, 2023 9:17:39 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

Nov 23, 2023 23:08:10 GMT -5 kyledehart5 said:

I love getting completely unproductive PMs from folks. There is a fellow on the Motorsports modeling forum that was disagreeable nearly every time I posted and then finally PM’ed me to say I had some nerve posting my work it was so bad. I’m the next sentence he said I had some potential because I enjoy obscure subjects but maybe I should watch some tutorials before posting any more work, because I was really detracting from the subject. I really have no idea what he was trying to accomplish to this day. Lol. Good times.

    Man that is just crazy!! From time to time,  I'll pull someone to the side to PM for constructive criticism so as not to make them feel singled out in front of everyone in the open forum. I most certainly have NEVER pulled someone into a PM to berate or belittle them. That is crazy! Did you report that guy? 

I didn’t. He’s one of the old guard over there and I like Chris. Who has enough going on in his personal life. Just didn’t want to put it on him. I still check in there. Just don’t interact with the guy.

[406 Silverado]

Unfortunately, that’s why I stopped posting at outside of a few like yourself who would reply or give responses. It’s all good though….we’re here at MSC now.

[tcoat]

Nov 24, 2023 11:19:30 GMT -5 brandonk said:

What puts me off more than just about anything, except being a D1**, is not commenting on someones work. Be it advise or kudos, it all makes someone feel noticed. Simply popping in and looking over things and bouncing without any effort to comment really kills my motivation to share my work or ideas. I found that over there from the very get go is that I would get tons of traffic to my work but only a few comments. Really steals the incentive to continue. Thus I stopped posting WIPS as I felt it was a waste of time. Apparently no one really cares enough to comment. What I noticed is that only a select few would get any attention and everyone else largely got ignored. Never understood that; feels like school with all the cliques that never welcomed anyone. Anyway, I've been off the bench all year with back issues. Hopefully, when I do get back to it I will get to enjoy the "yakky" crowd for once.

I personally don't always comment on a project unless I have more to say than just "nice work" but will give a thumbs up to at least show I was there. Some of that is because I go through and read ALL new posts and replying to every singe thing makes it more of a task than anything. Having a thread of nothing but "Here it is" and then dozens of "Nice work" replies with no other elaboration is something that bothered me on a couple of forums. It starts to seem insincere in a way. There is also somewhat of a stigma on trying to give advice or critical comments  that has been instilled in people from other sites where such things are seriously frowned upon.

I have noticed that the average response to view ratio is around 10%. In all probability many of those views are from site visitors that don't have the ability to comment. The other far more sinister reason that you can get views with no hits is Spam Bots doing keyword searches in their ongoing quest for targets. At least this forum deals with these quickly so they are not an issue. The one car forum I was on has almost died because of boots. There are days when there are 20 or so real people and 50 or more bots logged in and Admin just doesn't seem to care anymore.  

All that said it is disappointing when you post up your pride and joy and nobody comments so it get's bumped further and further back in the pages and never seen again. 

[Tojo72]

You nailed it Brandon,I'm not posting anymore work there,and I've pretty much stopped commenting on others work unless it's some of you guys posting or some regulars who I'm familiar with.I will continue to welcome new ones and answer any questions that I can.

[406 Silverado]

That’s kind of how I am towards the other two smaller forums that I’m an admin over. I will always do my part to sustain them but as far as growth of the forums there , I’m afraid it’s a futile effort. As Tony just mentioned, I will answer questions and be encouraging of folks. That’s just the right thing to do.

[stikpusher]

Nov 24, 2023 12:02:23 GMT -5 Tojo72 said:

You nailed it Brandon,I'm not posting anymore work there,and I've pretty much stopped commenting on others work unless it's some of you guys posting or some regulars who I'm familiar with.I will continue to welcome new ones and answer any questions that I can.

I’ll comment on stuff that interests me over there, or ask questions that may come up. No more WIPs or GBs for me there after getting in the doghouse. I’ll just post my latest completions and interact with the few folks I still know and get along with, and answer questions that I can helpfully do so.

[406 Silverado]

I hope they can get things ironed out over there.

[stikpusher]

Nov 24, 2023 12:43:51 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

I hope they can get things ironed out over there.

I get the feeling that it is a slowly sinking ship. The magazine is reducing their output, several folks are saying that they will no longer renew their subscriptions as a result, so it gives the feeling to be on the same path as Kalmbach’s auto modeling magazine and website. 

[406 Silverado]

Nov 24, 2023 12:58:13 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

Nov 24, 2023 12:43:51 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

I hope they can get things ironed out over there.

I get the feeling that it is a slowly sinking ship. The magazine is reducing their output, several folks are saying that they will no longer renew their subscriptions as a result, so it gives the feeling to be on the same path as Kalmbach’s auto modeling magazine and website. 

Yeah, I’m seeing the same trend as Scale Auto when they closed shop. I will say that FSM really had an opportunity to turn it all around at one point because all of the folks that were on Scale Auto migrated over to FSM. They didn’t come to a warm welcome and jetted REAL quick. They weren’t used to the silence that plagued( and still does) FSM .

[moramartht]

There are other slang terms for those who talk too much that I'll not repeat here

There's a bit in the movie "Constantine" where Gabriel verbals Satan in Biblical terms ("Son of Perdition! Most Unclean!") to which Old Nick responds "I do miss the old names...". So how about:

"Bletherskite"

"Gobsh1te"

Cheers,

M

P.S. Is this an amusing off-topic interjection or an objectionable intrusion?

[reserve]

I'd say the former...after all grammatical education is a lifelong thing is it not?

[tcoat]

Nov 24, 2023 18:00:14 GMT -5 reserve said:

I'd say the former...after all grammatical education is a lifelong thing is it not?

I ain't never heared that before

[armornutii]

   Please remeber friends I am a product of the North Idaho Publuc School System....and I used a cheet kard to spel rite

[stikpusher]

Nov 24, 2023 19:13:40 GMT -5 armornutii said:

   Please remeber friends I am a product of the North Idaho Publuc School System....and I used a cheet kard to spel rite

That has to be better than the LA Unified... man I saw some ignorant folks produced by that district.

[kyledehart5]

Nov 24, 2023 19:13:40 GMT -5 armornutii said:

   Please remeber friends I am a product of the North Idaho Publuc School System....and I used a cheet kard to spel rite

As a product of the Indiana Public School system, boy did I feel this one. 😂

[2whl]

Nov 24, 2023 11:24:25 GMT -5 kyledehart5 said:

Nov 24, 2023 9:17:39 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

    Man that is just crazy!! From time to time,  I'll pull someone to the side to PM for constructive criticism so as not to make them feel singled out in front of everyone in the open forum. I most certainly have NEVER pulled someone into a PM to berate or belittle them. That is crazy! Did you report that guy? 

I didn’t. He’s one of the old guard over there and I like Chris. Who has enough going on in his personal life. Just didn’t want to put it on him. I still check in there. Just don’t interact with the guy.

That is crazy that someone would tell you not to post.  He should have just given you some constructive criticism instead.  I've known Chris for over 10 tears now, since the beginnings of the SoCal NNL.   I agree with not bothering him about it.  He is having some serious and draining health issues.   But they needed some mods, since afx had gone AWOL for so long.

[kyledehart5]

Nov 25, 2023 12:18:46 GMT -5 2whl said:

Nov 24, 2023 11:24:25 GMT -5 kyledehart5 said:

I didn’t. He’s one of the old guard over there and I like Chris. Who has enough going on in his personal life. Just didn’t want to put it on him. I still check in there. Just don’t interact with the guy.

That is crazy that someone would tell you not to post.  He should have just given you some constructive criticism instead.  I've known Chris for over 10 tears now, since the beginnings of the SoCal NNL.   I agree with not bothering him about it.  He is having some serious and draining health issues.   But they needed some mods, since afx had gone AWOL for so long.

Chris is a good guy. And he’s the only reason I’m there. He invited me after seeing my work on the open wheel forum. His health problems are enough to take it out of anyone. And I’ve heard worse things from people. I was just taken aback that someone would take the time to PM me in such a negative way over a build that didn’t affect them one bit. The universe has taken care of it though and I’m not going to deny a certain amount of satisfaction about that. Although, I almost feel bad for the guy.

[dean48ws]

I'll throw my 2 cents worth in. As a bloke who models mostly trucks, I find it hard to make a worthwhile comment on a subject I know bugger all about. I can appreciate the workmanship that goes into the builds I see here but have little understanding of the intricacies of each build. The FW190 group build for example, (apart from not knowing why it is called a butcher bird), I would have no idea which paint schemes are suitable for which version of the plane, what theatre it flew in, what aftermarket accessories are correct for the particular model, even where to find them.
The volume of new posts here also makes it hard for those of us with limited time to read each new post let alone comment on each one in a worthwhile manner. Most modelers have their preferred subject and that is what they tend to focus on. I've had the dubious task of counting votes at an NNL style model show, and it may surprise you how many voting slips come back with just the military section completed, or the aircraft, or the "civilian" vehicles section completed. (I guess if I'm at a show where the term civilian is used, it's a military focused show). This kind of voting seems to reflect what is being said about the other forum. I don't go to those shows anymore. I've seen some average builds on tables and wondered why you'd show it, but then I've seen the guy who's in a wheelchair or has a mental disorder and this is part of their therapy, who had the balls to put it on the table. Trophy should go right there. lots of critics never put builds out for judging.
I'm just happy to be here and have somewhere to post my builds, they aren't everyone's thing but that's cool.
A good friend once told me, just remember, we're grown men gluing plastic together!!! It's meant to be fun!

[tcoat]

Nov 26, 2023 0:38:02 GMT -5 dean48ws said:

I'll throw my 2 cents worth in. As a bloke who models mostly trucks, I find it hard to make a worthwhile comment on a subject I know bugger all about. I can appreciate the workmanship that goes into the builds I see here but have little understanding of the intricacies of each build. The FW190 group build for example, (apart from not knowing why it is called a butcher bird), I would have no idea which paint schemes are suitable for which version of the plane, what theatre it flew in, what aftermarket accessories are correct for the particular model, even where to find them.
The volume of new posts here also makes it hard for those of us with limited time to read each new post let alone comment on each one in a worthwhile manner. Most modelers have their preferred subject and that is what they tend to focus on. I've had the dubious task of counting votes at an NNL style model show, and it may surprise you how many voting slips come back with just the military section completed, or the aircraft, or the "civilian" vehicles section completed. (I guess if I'm at a show where the term civilian is used, it's a military focused show). This kind of voting seems to reflect what is being said about the other forum. I don't go to those shows anymore. I've seen some average builds on tables and wondered why you'd show it, but then I've seen the guy who's in a wheelchair or has a mental disorder and this is part of their therapy, who had the balls to put it on the table. Trophy should go right there. lots of critics never put builds out for judging.
I'm just happy to be here and have somewhere to post my builds, they aren't everyone's thing but that's cool.
A good friend once told me, just remember, we're grown men gluing plastic together!!! It's meant to be fun!

Ahhh but you see that is the beauty of this very diverse forum. Nobody (so far at least) really will care if you have the wrong scheme for that aircraft or if you have every available resin set included. Those are the exact things that made me shy away from the more specialized forums. There are of course people here that do the whole nine yards but there are also plenty of out of the box close enough builders. The hobby sees a whole range of different styles and levels of build and really none of them are "wrong". You want to build a German aircraft that is orange and black tiger stripes then go ahead. There will be discussions on what something "should" have but I hope to never see a day where people start to say what it "must" have.

I build just about all categories so personally love seeing your truck builds. They are not all that common and a nice change now and then.  

[chromdome35]

Nov 26, 2023 0:38:02 GMT -5 dean48ws said:

I'll throw my 2 cents worth in. As a bloke who models mostly trucks, I find it hard to make a worthwhile comment on a subject I know bugger all about. I can appreciate the workmanship that goes into the builds I see here but have little understanding of the intricacies of each build. The FW190 group build for example, (apart from not knowing why it is called a butcher bird), I would have no idea which paint schemes are suitable for which version of the plane, what theatre it flew in, what aftermarket accessories are correct for the particular model, even where to find them.
The volume of new posts here also makes it hard for those of us with limited time to read each new post let alone comment on each one in a worthwhile manner. Most modelers have their preferred subject and that is what they tend to focus on. I've had the dubious task of counting votes at an NNL style model show, and it may surprise you how many voting slips come back with just the military section completed, or the aircraft, or the "civilian" vehicles section completed. (I guess if I'm at a show where the term civilian is used, it's a military focused show). This kind of voting seems to reflect what is being said about the other forum. I don't go to those shows anymore. I've seen some average builds on tables and wondered why you'd show it, but then I've seen the guy who's in a wheelchair or has a mental disorder and this is part of their therapy, who had the balls to put it on the table. Trophy should go right there. lots of critics never put builds out for judging.
I'm just happy to be here and have somewhere to post my builds, they aren't everyone's thing but that's cool.
A good friend once told me, just remember, we're grown men gluing plastic together!!! It's meant to be fun!

Good commentary, I'm similar in my hesitation to post on modeling subjects I don't know anything about.

Others can provide a more solid answer to the question of why are they called butcher birds, I think it's because they were a brutally effective weapon, especially in the early years of the war.

I think you should consider joining the group build. I have never built an airplane kit before, but I am going to build one for this group build. I think it will be good for my modeling mojo to build something different. I'm just doing a straight out of box build of a fairly easy kit, I'll leave aftermarket add-ons for future builds. Joe and others are very knowledgeable about the BF190. Any questions you have about appropriate colors, or anything else, they will quickly come to your aid.

[kyledehart5]

Nov 26, 2023 0:38:02 GMT -5 dean48ws said:

I'll throw my 2 cents worth in. As a bloke who models mostly trucks, I find it hard to make a worthwhile comment on a subject I know bugger all about. I can appreciate the workmanship that goes into the builds I see here but have little understanding of the intricacies of each build. The FW190 group build for example, (apart from not knowing why it is called a butcher bird), I would have no idea which paint schemes are suitable for which version of the plane, what theatre it flew in, what aftermarket accessories are correct for the particular model, even where to find them.
The volume of new posts here also makes it hard for those of us with limited time to read each new post let alone comment on each one in a worthwhile manner. Most modelers have their preferred subject and that is what they tend to focus on. I've had the dubious task of counting votes at an NNL style model show, and it may surprise you how many voting slips come back with just the military section completed, or the aircraft, or the "civilian" vehicles section completed. (I guess if I'm at a show where the term civilian is used, it's a military focused show). This kind of voting seems to reflect what is being said about the other forum. I don't go to those shows anymore. I've seen some average builds on tables and wondered why you'd show it, but then I've seen the guy who's in a wheelchair or has a mental disorder and this is part of their therapy, who had the balls to put it on the table. Trophy should go right there. lots of critics never put builds out for judging.
I'm just happy to be here and have somewhere to post my builds, they aren't everyone's thing but that's cool.
A good friend once told me, just remember, we're grown men gluing plastic together!!! It's meant to be fun!

Lol, This is 100% me. I have joined the group build and have no idea if the aircraft I've chosen is accurate or anything about them, other than it was most likely BMW powered. No idea what Butcher Bird is either, but it's evidently an FW190. There's definitely a lot going on here. I love the truck builds you do. As long as we all remember that last part about it being fun (at least for the most part) then I think we have a future here. 

[tcoat]

Nov 26, 2023 6:32:32 GMT -5 kyledehart5 said:

Nov 26, 2023 0:38:02 GMT -5 dean48ws said:

I'll throw my 2 cents worth in. As a bloke who models mostly trucks, I find it hard to make a worthwhile comment on a subject I know bugger all about. I can appreciate the workmanship that goes into the builds I see here but have little understanding of the intricacies of each build. The FW190 group build for example, (apart from not knowing why it is called a butcher bird), I would have no idea which paint schemes are suitable for which version of the plane, what theatre it flew in, what aftermarket accessories are correct for the particular model, even where to find them.
The volume of new posts here also makes it hard for those of us with limited time to read each new post let alone comment on each one in a worthwhile manner. Most modelers have their preferred subject and that is what they tend to focus on. I've had the dubious task of counting votes at an NNL style model show, and it may surprise you how many voting slips come back with just the military section completed, or the aircraft, or the "civilian" vehicles section completed. (I guess if I'm at a show where the term civilian is used, it's a military focused show). This kind of voting seems to reflect what is being said about the other forum. I don't go to those shows anymore. I've seen some average builds on tables and wondered why you'd show it, but then I've seen the guy who's in a wheelchair or has a mental disorder and this is part of their therapy, who had the balls to put it on the table. Trophy should go right there. lots of critics never put builds out for judging.
I'm just happy to be here and have somewhere to post my builds, they aren't everyone's thing but that's cool.
A good friend once told me, just remember, we're grown men gluing plastic together!!! It's meant to be fun!

Lol, This is 100% me. I have joined the group build and have no idea if the aircraft I've chosen is accurate or anything about them, other than it was most likely BMW powered. No idea what Butcher Bird is either, but it's evidently an FW190. There's definitely a lot going on here. I love the truck builds you do. As long as we all remember that last part about it being fun (at least for the most part) then I think we have a future here. 

Mt 190 for the group build is going to send any purists into fits!

[stikpusher]

I'm one who likes to strive for historical accuracy, particularly in painting & markings. So if I see something that looks unusual or strange, rather than accuse or blast away, I will ask where the inspiration comes from? Perhaps its a valid one off scheme, and the builder can explain their source... or it can be an imaginary flight of fancy or "what if?" scheme... again the builder can explain their inspiration. Often those explanations make the presentation that much better with the knowledge of what's behind the look of the finished project. I remember a builder elsewhere who would make realistic fictitious markings on his WWII aircraft builds, often using his own, his wife's or even his kids initials as identifier codes on the models. He could do whatever he pleased for certain things like nose art, squadron colors, etc., and not be historically wrong because it never existed to begin with.