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Post by Leon on Feb 13, 2016 18:55:05 GMT -5
Glad to hear I'm not the only one who just paints only the visible part of the wheels!  Base coat looks good Bill!  |
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 13, 2016 19:13:57 GMT -5
Looks good,I always thought MM Dunklegelb looked too much like pea soup on its own,your mix looks like it will stand up to weathering also. Straight out of the bottle it's definitely too dark especially when the weathering process inevitably darkens the finish. I just barely had enough on hand to finish the job today so will likely have to mix up more for touchups and little details. |
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 13, 2016 19:14:47 GMT -5
Glad to hear I'm not the only one who just paints only the visible part of the wheels! Base coat looks good Bill! No need to waste paint on invisible stuff! |
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Post by deafpanzer on Feb 14, 2016 11:43:22 GMT -5
Very pleased with the latest process... you are really showing it your true love especially today for Valentine's Day!
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Post by armorguy on Feb 14, 2016 12:56:04 GMT -5
Glad to hear I'm not the only one who just paints only the visible part of the wheels! Base coat looks good Bill! No need to waste paint on invisible stuff!  |
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 14, 2016 13:04:10 GMT -5
Very pleased with the latest process... you are really showing it your true love especially today for Valentine's Day! Got to keep this one moving, March is only a couple of weeks away...I'm sure your USS Indy is calling to you quietly in the night too!  AG, no need to panic! I didn't leave them in bare plastic...just the dark brown primer. |
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Post by reserve on Feb 14, 2016 16:02:37 GMT -5
No need to waste effort on invisible stuff either the way I see it
This is cool, gonna be even more so when that tape comes off
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 14, 2016 17:33:13 GMT -5
No need to waste effort on invisible stuff either the way I see it This is cool, gonna be even more so when that tape comes off Regards, Mark Thanks Mark! Been spending some time today looking at different schemes so I can create two different patterns on the turret and the hull. It's harder than you might think to do...I'm so used to the two matching up. |
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Post by tonylee-Rest In Peace on Feb 14, 2016 20:25:59 GMT -5
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Post by SMJmodeler on Feb 15, 2016 12:20:37 GMT -5
wbill76: WOW, that gray is light! You said: "I used a custom mix of 50/50 MM Panzer Dunkelgelb and Light Gray and applied it in thin coats to build up the finish."
I've known/ experienced for a long time that the weathering darkens the finish but I still tend to go too dark on the base coat. The color modulation I do helps a ton but I've been wanting to go light on the base and see the results. I have a Tamiya Pz II C-Polish Campaign coming up soon (the same one you did a while back) and I was thinking of going with a very light shade of gray...maybe even with a touch of light blue.
I'll be watching close to see how this works out. Looks great Bill...thanks again for the play-by-play!
Oh yeah, I forgot to comment on the "no rubber on the road wheels". That fact alone moves my Tiger I Late up the "get-to-soon" build list! BTW: Why did the Germans abandon the rubber on the lates?
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 15, 2016 12:54:42 GMT -5
Will do my best not to disappoint Uncle T! wbill76: WOW, that gray is light! You said: "I used a custom mix of 50/50 MM Panzer Dunkelgelb and Light Gray and applied it in thin coats to build up the finish." I've known/ experienced for a long time that the weathering darkens the finish but I still tend to go too dark on the base coat. The color modulation I do helps a ton but I've been wanting to go light on the base and see the results. I have a Tamiya Pz II C-Polish Campaign coming up soon (the same one you did a while back) and I was thinking of going with a very light shade of gray...maybe even with a touch of light blue. I'll be watching close to see how this works out. Looks great Bill...thanks again for the play-by-play! Oh yeah, I forgot to comment on the "no rubber on the road wheels". That fact alone moves my Tiger I Late up the "get-to-soon" build list! BTW: Why did the Germans abandon the rubber on the lates? Thanks Steve! For a Panzer Gray finish, I work in reverse and apply a normal Panzer Gray coat followed by panel lightening/modulation/pre-shading (whatever works!) as darker colors behave differently (depending on the weathering steps applied of course) vs. lighter colors like DY. For that, I usually lighten the Panzer Gray only about 10% with Light Gray vs. the 50% that the DY gets. All about experimentation and finding out what works and what doesn't! The reason the Germans moved away from rubber-rimmed wheels was primarily due to the overall scarcity of rubber in general due to wartime shortages. The steel wheels still had rubber inside the rims as a cushion, it just required significantly less rubber than the traditional outer rims. It also had the added bonus of lightening the weight on the track and suspension in general, making it possible to add more armor in some places like the turret roof vs. the original design. They tried to do the same thing with the Panther wheels but that didn't work out (mostly due to tendency of breaking track teeth due to the suspension design) nearly as well as it did on the Tiger. |
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Post by totalize on Feb 15, 2016 13:33:37 GMT -5
With all here Bill. Excellent stuff so far. This beast is really coming together. Love the damaged zimmerit effect you did looks really nice.
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Post by jsteinman on Feb 15, 2016 14:35:05 GMT -5
My favorite part.
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 15, 2016 14:43:51 GMT -5
Thanks totalize and John! Just about to fire up the spray booth for Round 3! |
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 15, 2016 20:10:00 GMT -5
My airbrush trigger finger certainly got a workout today in Round 3 of the painting effort! First up was an application of MM enamel Italian Olive Green to create the first elements of the three-tone patterns on both the hull and turret. I was deliberately creating two different patterns between the two and also keeping in mind the damaged zim areas and what that would mean for the patterns in general. I also masked off the fender line that would've been there for the patterns on the assumption that the patterns would've continued on to them when they were in place originally.  Next came the rotbraun portion, for this I use a custom mix of 50/50 MM enamel Leather and Military Brown.  I loaded up the last of my custom DY mix and carefully adjusted the pattern in places and cleaned up some overspray to get the pattern into its final shape. Then I added some thinner to basically turn it into a wash and misted it on from about 12 inches away to fade the colors and tie it all together.  Then came the ultimate moment of truth, time to remove all the masking on the red oxide areas.    This will obviously get more weathering and detailing attention but it does get all of the major airbrush-related tasks out of the way. Onward and upward! |
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Post by deafpanzer on Feb 15, 2016 20:50:32 GMT -5
Lovely camo work!!!
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Post by afvfan on Feb 15, 2016 21:02:31 GMT -5
Not bad, Bill, not bad. It does strike me as strange that there could be so much damage to the zim localized to one area, though. Guess you could call it "the Janus tank".  |
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Post by Tojo72 on Feb 15, 2016 22:02:47 GMT -5
Now that looks real nice Bill.
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 15, 2016 22:35:39 GMT -5
Thanks Andy and Anthony! Not bad, Bill, not bad. It does strike me as strange that there could be so much damage to the zim localized to one area, though. Guess you could call it "the Janus tank". F13 is a collection of contradictions for sure! The hull and turret are from two different vehicles so who knows what happened to them before they were paired up for training use. A big chunk of the exposed area is behind the spare links and it's possible it wasn't zimmed at all in that spot for whatever reason. Speculation abounds with this one! |
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Post by dierk on Feb 16, 2016 3:34:04 GMT -5
Really starting to look great Bill! Looking forward to the weathering.
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Post by adt70hk on Feb 16, 2016 7:16:14 GMT -5
Looking good so far Bill!! It's looking very stripey and reminds of some animal or other - a tiger maybe?? Andrew |
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 16, 2016 9:19:35 GMT -5
Dierk, thanks and so am I! Andrew, the whole point of camouflage isn't to hide the whole thing but rather to break up the outline and make it harder to see it for what it is before it's too late. Since crews had local discretion for their schemes, you get to see a lot of variation as a result. Some got very creative and I'm sure inspired by nature too! Tigers need their stripes for a reason.
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Post by Leon on Feb 16, 2016 10:10:42 GMT -5
Nice work on the different camo patterns Bill!
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Post by SMJmodeler on Feb 16, 2016 10:20:00 GMT -5
It does strike me as strange that there could be so much damage to the zim localized to one area, though. A big chunk of the exposed area is behind the spare links and it's possible it wasn't zimmed at all in that spot for whatever reason. Speculation abounds with this one! : I like the exaggerated size of the exposed area...because you did it once! the other side is almost untouched and the other exposed areas are minimal. afvfan does makes a good point about it being "strange", but to me that uniqueness makes us have to imagine/ speculate that much more. I enjoy spending time imaging how the different weathering was caused on my builds...all part of the hobby to me! If you weather the area behind the tracks differently it would add another level of "justification, food for thought... Did I mistake the base color as gray? It looks that way in the pic's. |
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 16, 2016 10:51:45 GMT -5
Thanks Leon! I enjoy spending time imaging how the different weathering was caused on my builds...all part of the hobby to me! If you weather the area behind the tracks differently it would add another level of "justification, food for thought... Did I mistake the base color as gray? It looks that way in the pic's. I agree, this vehicle is interesting on so many levels! Not sure about your screen settings, the kit is molded in light gray but that's the only true gray on this build. |
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 19, 2016 17:38:38 GMT -5
I started in on the details for the hull and turret today with the focus on the spare track links. I didn't have enough links left over from the MK set to fully populate the hull spare runs and the individual links on the turret so I decided on a hybrid approach. 6 MK links would go on the turret (the photos of F13 show one of the turret holders empty, otherwise it would've been 7) and I would use the kit-supplied links for the 16 links mounted on the hull. The kit links come with separate guide horns just like the MKs so they were duly cleaned up and assembled. I used a micro-drill to drill out the empty link-pin holes on the front and rear links where needed for a little added detail.  Then it was time to have some fun with Burnt Umber. I airbrushed a coat of MM enamel Burnt Umber on the main track runs as well as the spare links to serve as their base coat color as a foundation. This will get a chance to cure a bit before I can move on to their next steps to get their final look before installation. The main tracks will, of course, get a lot more weathering attention as well but they have a different road to travel vs the spares.  While I was in a Burnt Umber mood (and because they will also get a similar weathering treatment as the spare tracks), I went ahead and applied the base coat to the exhausts as well. This was done by hand with a detail brush due to the tight quarters.  Detail phase is always about the little stuff and multiple steps! |
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Post by Leon on Feb 19, 2016 17:57:04 GMT -5
Tracks and exhaust look good Bill! |
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 19, 2016 18:40:26 GMT -5
Thanks Leon, journey of a thousand steps of course! Just don't depend on Dragon's mile markers. |
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Post by armorguy on Feb 20, 2016 2:23:05 GMT -5
Thanks Andy and Anthony! Not bad, Bill, not bad. It does strike me as strange that there could be so much damage to the zim localized to one area, though. Guess you could call it "the Janus tank". F13 is a collection of contradictions for sure! The hull and turret are from two different vehicles so who knows what happened to them before they were paired up for training use. A big chunk of the exposed area is behind the spare links and it's possible it wasn't zimmed at all in that spot for whatever reason. Speculation abounds with this one! That's just why I like this build so much, it's not a "13 in a dozen" Tiger, there's room for speculation and creative thinking. I particularly love the colorful Zimless area as it contrasts with the rest of the tank, it's almost like art and it in great balance. Keep firing away Bill ! |
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 20, 2016 11:46:58 GMT -5
I agree AG! Definitely not your ordinary Tiger. Thanks for your continued support! |
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