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Post by chromdome35 on Dec 17, 2016 19:01:21 GMT -5
This will be the first Diorama I've ever attempted to build. I've had this Tamiya 88mm in my stash for years, I started building it about 15 years ago but didn't get very far. I am going to bring it out and see what happens. Years ago, I bought a verlinden gun emplacement to go with this. I've also picked up a few other aftermarket pieces including a nice metal barrel. I just ordered the Eduard PE set for this kit, it should arrive hopefully in the next 2 weeks. There was a much larger Voyager PE set released for this kit, but it is discontinued and seems to be very rare. I found it online in Germany, but shipping alone was 50 euro's on top of the 25 euro cost of the kit. $75 Euro's...no thanks. I plan on the base for this being 12"x 12". I did a drawing of what I envision in my head the diorama will look like. I'm trying to decide what theater of operations to place this in. I'm thinking Normandy or someplace on the eastern front during summertime. I have a ton of figure sets in my stash and I plan to use some of them to fill in the details of the dio. Any advice or thoughts you have would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by Tojo72 on Dec 17, 2016 20:09:24 GMT -5
So you went with this one,lots of goodies,should be good.
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Post by joelsmith on Dec 17, 2016 20:14:21 GMT -5
CD, when you take a bite, you take a BIG bite. I'm sure this will be up to your usual high standards. Talk more soon, Joel.
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Post by TRM on Dec 17, 2016 20:46:55 GMT -5
Glad to see you made a choice! Count me in....going to be a fun ride!
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Post by Leon on Dec 17, 2016 21:40:14 GMT -5
Pulling up a chair CD! Looks like this is going to be a great project.
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Post by dupes on Dec 17, 2016 21:50:11 GMT -5
Man, you aren't messing around...there's some PRODUCT here!
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Post by deafpanzer on Dec 18, 2016 0:37:37 GMT -5
Great choice!!! At least its still a 88 which Tigers carried. Count me in too!!!
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Post by chromdome35 on Dec 18, 2016 1:07:13 GMT -5
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Post by bish on Dec 18, 2016 2:37:28 GMT -5
I'll be watching. I like you plan, much more detailed than my quick pencil drawings. I like the layout. One suggestion if I may. I would keep one set of wheels in position. If you look at the cruciform legs closest to the Verlinden emplacement, there's no room to swing the wheels out and move them away. And keeping the wheels there means it will be easier for the crew to attach them before moving.
Just a thought.
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Post by chromdome35 on Dec 18, 2016 2:50:36 GMT -5
I'll be watching. I like you plan, much more detailed than my quick pencil drawings. I like the layout. One suggestion if I may. I would keep one set of wheels in position. If you look at the cruciform legs closest to the Verlinden emplacement, there's no room to swing the wheels out and move them away. And keeping the wheels there means it will be easier for the crew to attach them before moving. Just a thought. A great thought! Thank you, I think I'll make that change.
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Post by panzerjager2 on Dec 18, 2016 3:53:04 GMT -5
Me and my "buddy" will be watching this one............
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Post by dierk on Dec 18, 2016 5:50:58 GMT -5
Nice!!! If you still want the Voyager set, drop me a PM. I'm currently residing in the Fatherland, and I'm sure I can mail it to you for a lot less.
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Post by adt70hk on Dec 18, 2016 8:23:33 GMT -5
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A very nice idea indeed. Looking forward to this coming together.
Andrew
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Post by bish on Dec 18, 2016 10:58:23 GMT -5
I'll be watching. I like you plan, much more detailed than my quick pencil drawings. I like the layout. One suggestion if I may. I would keep one set of wheels in position. If you look at the cruciform legs closest to the Verlinden emplacement, there's no room to swing the wheels out and move them away. And keeping the wheels there means it will be easier for the crew to attach them before moving. Just a thought. A great thought! Thank you, I think I'll make that change. No worries. And as you start to lay it out, don't be afraid to move things around. I find my dio's evolve as they move from a 2D drawing to a 3D dio. I am looking forward to seeing yours come along.
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Post by mrversatile on Dec 18, 2016 11:46:10 GMT -5
Nice idea. The amount of figs is daunting as I just finished a dio with 12 and they were more work than the other parts of the project. Also, I see a common attribute to all your research pics and that is camouflage with branches. Do you plan to add these as well? I will be watching as well.
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Post by chromdome35 on Dec 18, 2016 14:41:14 GMT -5
Nice idea. The amount of figs is daunting as I just finished a dio with 12 and they were more work than the other parts of the project. Also, I see a common attribute to all your research pics and that is camouflage with branches. Do you plan to add these as well? I will be watching as well. Agreed on the # of figures, Yes I plan to add some organic camo to the front shield of the 88. I also have this picture of a camo net frame attached to an 88, thinking about trying to do something like this for the overhead camo.
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Post by joelsmith on Dec 18, 2016 14:48:31 GMT -5
It is always a dilemma using a Camouflage net. If you cover the kit "properly" you cant see the kit, if the kit is still visible, someone will gig you for a "sloppy" job. I'm looking forward to seeing how you solve the problem. Talk soon, Joel.
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Post by chromdome35 on Dec 18, 2016 14:54:21 GMT -5
It is always a dilemma using a Camouflage net. If you cover the kit "properly" you cant see the kit, if the kit is still visible, someone will gig you for a "sloppy" job. I'm looking forward to seeing how you solve the problem. Talk soon, Joel. I was pondering this exact problem and I haven't come up with a solution yet. The only thing that I can think of would be to change the scene to show the troops installing the camo netting; however, that would eliminate the "gun in action" scene. I thought about just showing the frame for the netting and putting some netting on the ground next to the gun. Still pondering...
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Post by bish on Dec 18, 2016 14:59:16 GMT -5
I hope you don't mind another suggestion, but I would leave out foliage. Those pics you posted are all guns that are not in a prepared position. The problem with foliage is that as soon as you remove it from the tree/bush, its starts to die and needs to be replaced regularly, unless its winter and you have bare branches. If you have a number of guns, as would be the case in your scene, and they are all stripping branches off trees every day, that's going to become obvious pretty quick. The dug in position, good use of ground and the net should be enough.
Just my opinion.
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Post by chromdome35 on Dec 18, 2016 15:03:54 GMT -5
Nice!!! If you still want the Voyager set, drop me a PM. I'm currently residing in the Fatherland, and I'm sure I can mail it to you for a lot less. I really appreciate that offer!!! That Voyager PE set is massive and frankly more than a little bit intimidating to me. Voyager PE35115Here is a brief review of it I found Voyager PE35115 ReviewYou get no fewer than four large, three medium and several smaller frets of brass along with a section of wire for moveable bits, some line, small resin bits and some plastic rod.The Eduard set I ordered is much smaller consisting of two sheets of PE. While part of me says go for it, the rational sane side of me says to not bite off more than I can chew. My PE Soldering skills are minimal at best. I think I'll hold off on getting the Voyager set, but I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate your offer! Karma to you!
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Post by chromdome35 on Dec 18, 2016 15:09:04 GMT -5
I hope you don't mind another suggestion, but I would leave out foliage. Those pics you posted are all guns that are not in a prepared position. The problem with foliage is that as soon as you remove it from the tree/bush, its starts to die and needs to be replaced regularly, unless its winter and you have bare branches. If you have a number of guns, as would be the case in your scene, and they are all stripping branches off trees every day, that's going to become obvious pretty quick. The dug in position, good use of ground and the net should be enough. Just my opinion. Another good point Bish, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. What you are saying makes perfect sense and I'll most likely follow your suggestion.
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Post by joelsmith on Dec 18, 2016 15:13:12 GMT -5
CD, "biting off more than I can chew" is your modus operandi! Looking at your M18 and now this diorama. Your family motto must be "Moderation is for Monks, Take Big Bites", talk more soon, Joel.
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Post by chromdome35 on Dec 18, 2016 15:19:11 GMT -5
CD, "biting off more than I can chew" is your modus operandi! Looking at your M18 and now this diorama. Your family motto must be "Moderation is for Monks, Take Big Bites", talk more soon, Joel. I've always believed the best way to learn is to do. That being said, sometimes my eyes are bigger than my appetite.
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Post by chromdome35 on Dec 18, 2016 19:53:17 GMT -5
I began this model back in 2001 but didn't get very far. I put together part of the base and the motorcycle. As I look at the work I did then it makes me cringe a little bit. A few of the glue joints are not very good. But, such is life, either I buy a new kit or I just go on and make the rest of it the best I can. I choose the later. Everything I'm doing right now isn't impacted by the PE set that is on order. Today I focused on modifying the base to add a missing details. There are several cable (maybe hydraulic) runs along the outriggers. I am trying to duplicate them. You can see in the pictures of the base that there was a protection plate beneath each of the leveling wheels. I added that in. It's a little crude but once painted I think it will look ok. I assembled and painted the motorcycle in 2001. Meh. Might figure out how to redo it, might leave as is and just "hide" it in the diorama.
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Post by wing_nut on Dec 18, 2016 20:02:21 GMT -5
I feel a "schwing" coming on.
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Post by joelsmith on Dec 18, 2016 20:58:17 GMT -5
CD, if you are going for a "firing mode" diorama, you probably should remove the "three leg" stakes from the rigid legs of the cruciform. The stakes are used to fix the base to keep it from moving while firing. Hope this helps, Joel.
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Post by chromdome35 on Dec 18, 2016 21:00:56 GMT -5
CD, if you are going for a "firing mode" diorama, you probably should remove the "three leg" stakes from the rigid legs of the cruciform. The stakes are used to fix the base to keep it from moving while firing. Hope this helps, Joel. Yea, I'm aware of that. When I started the kit in 2001, I attached those. I am trying to figure out how to remove them without destroying them. The Eduard PE set has vanes in it, so I may just have to use some round styrene and make new ones.
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Post by chromdome35 on Dec 18, 2016 22:27:55 GMT -5
CD, if you are going for a "firing mode" diorama, you probably should remove the "three leg" stakes from the rigid legs of the cruciform. The stakes are used to fix the base to keep it from moving while firing. Hope this helps, Joel. I started removing the stakes from the legs...they aren't coming off gracefully, evidently I welded them on pretty good...lots of chiseling and sanding in my near future.
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Post by dierk on Dec 19, 2016 4:17:30 GMT -5
the Voyager set does look pretty cool! Let me know if you change your mind. Alternatively check out Lucky Model.
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Post by joelsmith on Dec 19, 2016 7:22:59 GMT -5
Sorry to cause the trouble CD. :<(. I believed that you would want your work as accurate as possible, Joel.
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