My only ever box stock build

[dannimal]

 Hi!, a while back, my older brother said that i could never do a box stock build, and painfully restrained myself, and showed him wrong...never again, lol

[406 Silverado]

I do this alot Dann. I actually build two of most everything auto related I build so I can see first hand the pitfalls areas of a kit. I also do this to know what the stance is gonna be OOB to help me determine the corrections that I'll need to make to get the stance & wheel position relative to wheel openings corrected.

Hey....at least you can say you've built something OOB.

[dannimal]

May 5, 2023 7:35:28 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

I do this alot Dann. I actually build two of most everything auto related I build so I can see first hand the pitfalls areas of a kit. I also do this to know what the stance is gonna be OOB to help me determine the corrections that I'll need to make to get the stance & wheel position relative to wheel openings corrected.

Hey....at least you can say you've built something OOB.

  Great minds!  I like to preassemble everything with canopy glue before i commit.

[406 Silverado]

Yessireee!! My wife sometimes gets after me when I snatch her craft glue to use on my mock up builds. lolol

[garydavis]

You guys...I could never do that. It would KILL me to just build a kit straight from the box. The last time I built a kit straight from the box was about 1958 or 59. Somewhere in that area...LOL

You did a very clean build, Dann. Man...Just looking at it...makes me still want to PAINT IT... LOL

[dannimal]

May 5, 2023 8:51:24 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

Yessireee!! My wife sometimes gets after me when I snatch her craft glue to use on my mock up builds. lolol

  LOL

[dannimal]

May 5, 2023 12:24:28 GMT -5 garydavis said:

You guys...I could never do that. It would KILL me to just build a kit straight from the box. The last time I built a kit straight from the box was about 1958 or 59. Somewhere in that area...LOL

You did a very clean build, Dann. Man...Just looking at it...makes me still want to PAINT IT... LOL

  LOL, it WAS pretty hard to force myself to do it.

[tcoat]

Well OOB with zero paint is sort of the extreme use of the term. If talking OOB as just using the kit parts that came in the box but painting everything then about 85% of what I build falls into that category. The work some of you guys do with adding stuff completely blows me away but it is just not for me. I like to take what comes in the box and make it look good through smoke and mirrors paint and weathering. I do not care for one second if it is "accurate" or "flawed" in any way. My goal is to make something look real when viewed from 3 feet away and that means a lot of the detail get's blurred on purpose. The fun part is that creating just that right crappy paint effect or making a promo base look busy without adding parts can be just as difficult to achieve as making working suspension and having ever single nut and bolt on the real thing represented. When I do modify a model it is just to get something that simply does not exist in a kit such as folded wings, a vehicle that has to be built with a resin body and different kit parts, throwing some sort of interior visible through a hatch in armour  or such. Even then I do not strive for accuracy but more something that implies what you would expect to see so it is often totally fictional but looks the part. Sure there are loads of aftermarket parts for wing folds and such but I begrudge the cost of such things when I can come "close enough" with a few random bits and bobs and some creative painting and shading.

Now... Of course these different outlooks on modeling are actually what make the hobby so interesting in the first place. If everybody did what I do or all made spectacular scratch built super cars like Dan does then nothing would be special to anybody.

[stikpusher]

I remember that there was a modeling magazine that did all their reviews in this style. No paint, no fillers for gaps, no aftermarket allowed, just assemble what was in the box and present it bare in that manner for all to see. I don't think that the magazine lasted more than a couple of years. But it sure was a novel way, no holds barred, to present a kit.

[tcoat]

May 10, 2023 13:33:02 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

I remember that there was a modeling magazine that did all their reviews in this style. No paint, no fillers for gaps, no aftermarket allowed, just assemble what was in the box and present it bare in that manner for all to see. I don't think that the magazine lasted more than a couple of years. But it sure was a novel way, no holds barred, to present a kit.

There were a couple of websites that did the same many years ago. I don't think they lasted long either. It is a cool way to see what the kit actually can do though. 

[dannimal]

May 10, 2023 13:33:02 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

I remember that there was a modeling magazine that did all their reviews in this style. No paint, no fillers for gaps, no aftermarket allowed, just assemble what was in the box and present it bare in that manner for all to see. I don't think that the magazine lasted more than a couple of years. But it sure was a novel way, no holds barred, to present a kit.

  Wow, i never knew that.

[stikpusher]

May 11, 2023 21:02:46 GMT -5 dannimal said:

May 10, 2023 13:33:02 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

I remember that there was a modeling magazine that did all their reviews in this style. No paint, no fillers for gaps, no aftermarket allowed, just assemble what was in the box and present it bare in that manner for all to see. I don't think that the magazine lasted more than a couple of years. But it sure was a novel way, no holds barred, to present a kit.

  Wow, i never knew that.

I personally think that those were the most honest reviews that I’ve ever seen. I always get ticked off when a review kit has stuff added. That’s not an honest review of the base kit when it has stuff added.

[dannimal]

May 10, 2023 7:09:53 GMT -5 tcoat said:

Well OOB with zero paint is sort of the extreme use of the term. If talking OOB as just using the kit parts that came in the box but painting everything then about 85% of what I build falls into that category. The work some of you guys do with adding stuff completely blows me away but it is just not for me. I like to take what comes in the box and make it look good through smoke and mirrors paint and weathering. I do not care for one second if it is "accurate" or "flawed" in any way. My goal is to make something look real when viewed from 3 feet away and that means a lot of the detail get's blurred on purpose. The fun part is that creating just that right crappy paint effect or making a promo base look busy without adding parts can be just as difficult to achieve as making working suspension and having ever single nut and bolt on the real thing represented. When I do modify a model it is just to get something that simply does not exist in a kit such as folded wings, a vehicle that has to be built with a resin body and different kit parts, throwing some sort of interior visible through a hatch in armour  or such. Even then I do not strive for accuracy but more something that implies what you would expect to see so it is often totally fictional but looks the part. Sure there are loads of aftermarket parts for wing folds and such but I begrudge the cost of such things when I can come "close enough" with a few random bits and bobs and some creative painting and shading.

Now... Of course these different outlooks on modeling are actually what make the hobby so interesting in the first place. If everybody did what I do or all made spectacular scratch built super cars like Dan does then nothing would be special to anybody.



Wow!, thats alot of insight. I like builds of all sorts, and by the way, building a new car isnt nearly as difficult as building a weathered one thats believable. I have loads of respect for weathering builders. I cant bring myself to do it to one of my cars, but i'd like to, but i'm gonna suck at it for a while.
  I go through phases of weather or not i use detail parts. I think i'm getting close to being tired from all my SBing, and may use some already done up bits for a while. SBing makes a build take alot longer, and i'm missing the feeling of finishing something.
  If a car is already the way i'd like it, then i dont change anything -thats how i build. Whatever i do though, i strive for realism. About working bits; I think is cool to see, but it doesnt make for a better build. I cant count how many cars have all sorts of working bits, but the bits always look like they havent been totally cleaned up before they dipped them in paint. To me, whilst working bits are neat, they are also prone, or inviting breakage -not for me.
 No matter what anybody says, there is no perfect build, but the good builders just know how to cover, or distract from the imperfections.
 Like you, i enjoy seeing EVERYBODIES builds!      

[tcoat]

May 11, 2023 21:14:26 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

May 11, 2023 21:02:46 GMT -5 dannimal said:

  Wow, i never knew that.

I personally think that those were the most honest reviews that I’ve ever seen. I always get ticked off when a review kit has stuff added. That’s not an honest review of the base kit when it has stuff added.

I usually skip any review that starts out with "all I added was an Aires cockpit, and 4 different photo etch sets". 

[406 Silverado]

May 12, 2023 6:26:50 GMT -5 tcoat said:

May 11, 2023 21:14:26 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

I personally think that those were the most honest reviews that I’ve ever seen. I always get ticked off when a review kit has stuff added. That’s not an honest review of the base kit when it has stuff added.

I usually skip any review that starts out with "all I added was an Aires cockpit, and 4 different photo etch sets". 

Yup.....it's not very becoming of a kit when alot of extra stuff has to be added right of the bat first off and then secondly, the AM addtions just make the review even more foggy.

[tcoat]

May 11, 2023 21:43:42 GMT -5 dannimal said:

May 10, 2023 7:09:53 GMT -5 tcoat said:

Wow!, thats alot of insight. I like builds of all sorts, and by the way, building a new car isnt nearly as difficult as building a weathered one thats believable. I have loads of respect for weathering builders. I cant bring myself to do it to one of my cars, but i'd like to, but i'm gonna suck at it for a while.
  I go through phases of weather or not i use detail parts. I think i'm getting close to being tired from all my SBing, and may use some already done up bits for a while. SBing makes a build take alot longer, and i'm missing the feeling of finishing something.
  If a car is already the way i'd like it, then i dont change anything -thats how i build. Whatever i do though, i strive for realism. About working bits; I think is cool to see, but it doesnt make for a better build. I cant count how many cars have all sorts of working bits, but the bits always look like they havent been totally cleaned up before they dipped them in paint. To me, whilst working bits are neat, they are also prone, or inviting breakage -not for me.
 No matter what anybody says, there is no perfect build, but the good builders just know how to cover, or distract from the imperfections.
 Like you, i enjoy seeing EVERYBODIES builds!      

You are being a bit modest as your scratch builds are in a realm all of their own! It wouldn't make sense for you to weather most of what you build. The exotics and customs are never likely to be all dusty and dirty much less rusty any more than a 12 year old daily driver is going to look factory fresh.  

[tcoat]

May 12, 2023 6:32:03 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

May 12, 2023 6:26:50 GMT -5 tcoat said:

I usually skip any review that starts out with "all I added was an Aires cockpit, and 4 different photo etch sets". 

Yup.....it's not very becoming of a kit when alot of extra stuff has to be added right of the bat first off and then secondly, the AM addtions just make the review even more foggy.

Back when I first joined FSM forum (an ancient 6 months ago) I said I felt like I was spamming with all my builds. Stikpusher replied with  "Your posts are showing modeling and models, unlike many of the posts on here nowadays." It took me a bit to figure out that he meant (or at least I thought he meant) that they are basic builds without a bunch of add ons. It did make me feel better about posting so much though. 

[406 Silverado]

Well, that and a lot of folks have the same thing to say as you mentioned in one of your posts on here not too long ago. It all becomes a redundant "look at my stuff" for some folks without any feedback or actual conversations taking place. I know some who just post their stuff only and will NOT comment on others builds and that's not what truly makes of a forum. We definitely don't seem to have that problem here on a consistent basis.

[Tobi]

First of all the model looks very cool.
Box stock and no paint sounds a little harsh? I mean, the glue isn't in the box either.
With this type of presentation you have to work very, VERY clean. No chance to cover up any mistakes. Beautifully done!

Second, I don't get that the mentioned review sites couldn't outlast the time. What could be better to get an idea of what you'll get on buying, than just the kit and nothing else?

[tcoat]

May 12, 2023 7:35:48 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

Well, that and a lot of folks have the same thing to say as you mentioned in one of your posts on here not too long ago. It all becomes a redundant "look at my stuff" for some folks without any feedback or actual conversations taking place. I know some who just post their stuff only and will NOT comment on others builds and that's not what truly makes of a forum. We definitely don't seem to have that problem here on a consistent basis.

LOL another forum (not FSM) that I, and others here, are on is really bad for that. You never know who you can say what to. Anything beyond "nice build" can get you accused of trying to steal the spotlight and if you seem to go even remotely off topic (even if related) you get PMs saying:




Unfortunately that seems to be the norm for many modeling forums though.

[tcoat]

May 12, 2023 7:52:59 GMT -5 Tobi said:

First of all the model looks very cool.
Box stock and no paint sounds a little harsh? I mean, the glue isn't in the box either.
With this type of presentation you have to work very, VERY clean. No chance to cover up any mistakes. Beautifully done!

Second, I don't get that the mentioned review sites couldn't outlast the time. What could be better to get an idea of what you'll get on buying, than just the kit and nothing else?

I never understood why they couldn't make it. I love to see reviews like that when shopping for kits. It shows what the kit is like not the builder's paint skills so you can plan what YOU want to do with it better. We seem to be the minority though since the sites that do reviews with full paint and alterations to the kit seem to last just fine. 

[406 Silverado]

May 12, 2023 8:00:24 GMT -5 tcoat said:

May 12, 2023 7:35:48 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

Well, that and a lot of folks have the same thing to say as you mentioned in one of your posts on here not too long ago. It all becomes a redundant "look at my stuff" for some folks without any feedback or actual conversations taking place. I know some who just post their stuff only and will NOT comment on others builds and that's not what truly makes of a forum. We definitely don't seem to have that problem here on a consistent basis.

LOL another forum (not FSM) that I, and others here, are on is really bad for that. You never know who you can say what to. Anything beyond "nice build" can get you accused of trying to steal the spotlight and if you seem to go even remotely off topic (even if related) you get PMs saying:




Unfortunately that seems to be the norm for many modeling forums though.

I think I know the forum that you're talking about but I've gotta say that the tradeoff is that there is just as much talent on that very active forum as there is here. On that one I have to weed out the attitudes to get the meaty stuff like the techniques and skills. It requires alot of patience and tolerance but I've learned A LOT from that site ....both on what TO do in the realm of modeling and what NOT to do in social behavior on forums.

I will say that I've learned to be highly guarded on what I say in text because sometimes the spirit of our message doesn't make it through. If I'm cutting up with someone, it can have the potential to be taken wrong so that's were emoticons come into play like the one I sent you earlier about the "OK smart guy" earlier. I just followed it up with something silly to lighten the mood and to openly let you know that I was clowning with the emoticon.

[stikpusher]

I'll give a heads up now, but for armor and aircraft builders, I will call out stowage or ordnance load out anachronisms, as part of my feedback. Nicely of course. But throwing a modern ALICE pack on a WWII Sherman, or a 1980's AIM-9L Sidewinder on a Vietnam Phantom will get pointed out by me. We tend to pour hours of research into our basic builds. Why not take one more hour to learn about weapons and backpacks to get those details correct as well. Especially on some of the more well documented subjects.

 

[dannimal]

May 12, 2023 11:30:12 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

I'll give a heads up now, but for armor and aircraft builders, I will call out stowage or ordnance load out anachronisms, as part of my feedback. Nicely of course. But throwing a modern ALICE pack on a WWII Sherman, or a 1980's AIM-9L Sidewinder on a Vietnam Phantom will get pointed out by me. We tend to pour hours of research into our basic builds. Why not take one more hour to learn about weapons and backpacks to get those details correct as well. Especially on some of the more well documented subjects.

 

  I agree, but how do you know weather or not someone even cares about accuracy, or if its a fictional build? I like to help, but people have such thin skins these days. I do have alot to say for those who wanna listen, but i havent found a group yet that doesnt get its knickers in a twist.

[stikpusher]

Fictional builds are usually pretty obvious, and often the builder will say so in their posting. As far as wether or not they are receptive to such info, if I get thin skinned style response, I learn that they are not receptive to critiques and stick to a thumbs up on future works of theirs, if I like what they post, and ignore it if I don’t. I know Scalemates has plenty of members that don’t appreciate helpful reference critiques.
One other thing that does bother me is that if someone takes the time to say something regarding somebody else’s work, the original poster should take the time to acknowledge the post and make a reply. If someone is not about two ways communication and only wants to post their work but not have a conversation, why bother responding to such folks in the future? It’s just simple courtesy.

[tcoat]

May 15, 2023 16:44:13 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

Fictional builds are usually pretty obvious, and often the builder will say so in their posting. As far as wether or not they are receptive to such info, if I get thin skinned style response, I learn that they are not receptive to critiques and stick to a thumbs up on future works of theirs, if I like what they post, and ignore it if I don’t. I know Scalemates has plenty of members that don’t appreciate helpful reference critiques.
One other thing that does bother me is that if someone takes the time to say something regarding somebody else’s work, the original poster should take the time to acknowledge the post and make a reply. If someone is not about two ways communication and only wants to post their work but not have a conversation, why bother responding to such folks in the future? It’s just simple courtesy.

I just hope that this forum does not evolve into one of the Good Ol' boys networks that say "great work" to every single thing that get's posted even if it is horrendous (built by somebody that shouldn't be that bad)

Or the classic 26 "nice work" posts followed by 26 individual "Thank you" ones. 

Oh and the "great job" posts for one single picture of a model sitting on a BBQ about 30 feet from the camera. 

[stikpusher]