WILD MUSTANGS GROUP BUILD

[stikpusher]

Not so many accessories, but just as many kits in my stash… 


Stik’s Scalemates P-51s

[tcoat]

May 9, 2024 16:32:23 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

Not so many accessories, but just as many kits in my stash… 


Stik’s Scalemates P-51s

[TJ]

May 9, 2024 14:09:29 GMT -5 adt70hk said:

May 8, 2024 19:54:24 GMT -5 TJ said:

You'rere getting there young padawan

www.scalemates.com/profiles/mate.php?id=19010&p=stash&q=*&fkSTASHMATE[]=19010&fkSTASHSTATUS[]=19010-Stash&page=stash&fkTYPEGROUP[]=%22North%20American%20P-51%20Mustang%22

Johnny

I know we don't know each other and so I hope you take the following comment in the spirit with which it is intended..............


THAT'S BONKERS!!


ATB

Andrew

Why yes.....yes I am bonkers.  No offence taken.  

Hi my name is John I have a Mustang addiction

[project510]

You know a GB is going to be popular when it has 1000 views, over 60 psots and still doesnt even have a date yet haha. Looking forward to this!

[stikpusher]

Mustangs

Lets see how this works...

I know nothing is stolen, because all my storage areas are full...

[TJ]

May 9, 2024 20:29:59 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

Mustangs

Lets see how this works...

I know nothing is stolen, because all my storage areas are full...

Much better

[project510]

So while I have all the P51 experts huddled around this campfire.. I have a question.

I was reading the instructions for the Eduards kit that I have for this future build and all the suggested paints are Creos (Mr. Color) and I am pretty much a Tamiya guy with some alclad and testors enamels tossed in.
Is it worth the added expense to buy all of the Creos colors? Ive read online I can get the same results with Tamiya it just results in more mixing of paint. I want it to be accurate but id like to save money... but at the same time. With how excited I am about this kit and building my first plane. I have a feeling it wont be the only one I build. But then also I have to find room If i buy a bunch of new jars. As always, I appreciate the advice.

[jeaton01]

May 2, 2024 8:15:32 GMT -5 mrt51 said:

This could be the main event for me.

Terry, if you haven't already bought the Dragon kit I would recommend the Revell 1/32 P-51D kits (Not the P-51B, its really old).  Not very expensive and pretty good.  The only issue I  have with it is the bubble canopy which has some optical issues.

[stikpusher]

May 11, 2024 23:17:27 GMT -5 project510 said:

So while I have all the P51 experts huddled around this campfire.. I have a question.

I was reading the instructions for the Eduards kit that I have for this future build and all the suggested paints are Creos (Mr. Color) and I am pretty much a Tamiya guy with some alclad and testors enamels tossed in.
Is it worth the added expense to buy all of the Creos colors? Ive read online I can get the same results with Tamiya it just results in more mixing of paint. I want it to be accurate but id like to save money... but at the same time. With how excited I am about this kit and building my first plane. I have a feeling it wont be the only one I build. But then also I have to find room If i buy a bunch of new jars. As always, I appreciate the advice.

Personally I’d say no. I am not a big fan of the Mr. Color paint line. If anything, I’d suggest getting AK Real Colors for anything you need and cannot mix with Tamiya. I’d also suggest getting Gunze’s Mr Leveling Thinner to use with both brands for airbrushing and you will have superb results.

[cbaltrin]

May 11, 2024 23:58:58 GMT -5 jeaton01 said:

May 2, 2024 8:15:32 GMT -5 mrt51 said:

This could be the main event for me.

Terry, if you haven't already bought the Dragon kit I would recommend the Revell 1/32 P-51D kits (Not the P-51B, its really old).  Not very expensive and pretty good.  The only issue I  have with it is the bubble canopy which has some optical issues.

John, isn't that the kit with the backwards propeller? Did they ever fix that minor issue?

[project510]

May 12, 2024 11:13:57 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

May 11, 2024 23:17:27 GMT -5 project510 said:

So while I have all the P51 experts huddled around this campfire.. I have a question.

I was reading the instructions for the Eduards kit that I have for this future build and all the suggested paints are Creos (Mr. Color) and I am pretty much a Tamiya guy with some alclad and testors enamels tossed in.
Is it worth the added expense to buy all of the Creos colors? Ive read online I can get the same results with Tamiya it just results in more mixing of paint. I want it to be accurate but id like to save money... but at the same time. With how excited I am about this kit and building my first plane. I have a feeling it wont be the only one I build. But then also I have to find room If i buy a bunch of new jars. As always, I appreciate the advice.

Personally I’d say no. I am not a big fan of the Mr. Color paint line. If anything, I’d suggest getting AK Real Colors for anything you need and cannot mix with Tamiya. I’d also suggest getting Gunze’s Mr Leveling Thinner to use with both brands for airbrushing and you will have superb results.

ill take a look at the AK stuff. I do already use the leveling thinner. Its great stuff. But basically your answer is yes, there are other more realistic, color matched options for military besides Tamiya and you prefer to use those.

[cbaltrin]

May 11, 2024 23:17:27 GMT -5 project510 said:

So while I have all the P51 experts huddled around this campfire.. I have a question.

I was reading the instructions for the Eduards kit that I have for this future build and all the suggested paints are Creos (Mr. Color) and I am pretty much a Tamiya guy with some alclad and testors enamels tossed in.
Is it worth the added expense to buy all of the Creos colors? Ive read online I can get the same results with Tamiya it just results in more mixing of paint. I want it to be accurate but id like to save money... but at the same time. With how excited I am about this kit and building my first plane. I have a feeling it wont be the only one I build. But then also I have to find room If i buy a bunch of new jars. As always, I appreciate the advice.

No, absolutely not. No kits really suggest Tamiya paints other than Tamiya kits, naturally...    
That said,  Tamiya has all the paints you would need for a P-51 either in their bottles or spray cans.  
If you need yellow zinc chromate , add a drop or two of black to yellow and keep adding drops of black to get your interior green cockpit color. 
Now others may have different opinions on my formulas, but I don't get super tied in knots of color 'accuracy' for colors that were rarely photographed on unreliable color film (to say nothing of being over or underexposed), then possibly scanned and viewed on non-color calibrated computer monitors, or viewed under lights of various color temperatures, or a combination of the above. 

So let me restate this: No, you do not need to change paint brands. You will be just fine with Tamiya.  Only thing Tamiya does not have IMO is a good metallic paint (Although some folks are quite happy with their Silver Leaf or Airframe Aluminum Sprays).

[cbaltrin]

May 12, 2024 11:35:26 GMT -5 cbaltrin said:

May 11, 2024 23:17:27 GMT -5 project510 said:

So while I have all the P51 experts huddled around this campfire.. I have a question.

I was reading the instructions for the Eduards kit that I have for this future build and all the suggested paints are Creos (Mr. Color) and I am pretty much a Tamiya guy with some alclad and testors enamels tossed in.
Is it worth the added expense to buy all of the Creos colors? Ive read online I can get the same results with Tamiya it just results in more mixing of paint. I want it to be accurate but id like to save money... but at the same time. With how excited I am about this kit and building my first plane. I have a feeling it wont be the only one I build. But then also I have to find room If i buy a bunch of new jars. As always, I appreciate the advice.

No, absolutely not. No kits really suggest Tamiya paints other than Tamiya kits, naturally...    
That said,  Tamiya has all the paints you would need for a P-51 either in their bottles or spray cans.  
If you need yellow zinc chromate , add a drop or two of black to yellow and keep adding drops of black to get your interior green cockpit color. 
Now others may have different opinions on my formulas, but I don't get super tied in knots of color 'accuracy' for colors that were rarely photographed on unreliable color film (to say nothing of being over or underexposed), then possibly scanned and viewed on non-color calibrated computer monitors, or viewed under lights of various color temperatures, or a combination of the above. 

So let me restate this: No, you do not need to change paint brands. You will be just fine with Tamiya.  Only thing Tamiya does not have IMO is a good metallic paint (Although some folks are quite happy with their Silver Leaf or Airframe Aluminum Sprays).

Lastly, I'll commit to painting whatever I end up entering for this GB only with Tamiya paints (except maybe for using some Alclad II for the NFM).
Then everyone can either congratulate, ignore, or laugh at my results

[keavdog]

I do like Mr Color. It's my new go to. Thin 50/50 with their leveling thinner and it sprays great. Still have a lot of Tamiya paint as well.  Been using MRP a bit more as well.

[dupes]

May 11, 2024 23:17:27 GMT -5 project510 said:

So while I have all the P51 experts huddled around this campfire.. I have a question.

I was reading the instructions for the Eduards kit that I have for this future build and all the suggested paints are Creos (Mr. Color) and I am pretty much a Tamiya guy with some alclad and testors enamels tossed in.
Is it worth the added expense to buy all of the Creos colors? Ive read online I can get the same results with Tamiya it just results in more mixing of paint. I want it to be accurate but id like to save money... but at the same time. With how excited I am about this kit and building my first plane. I have a feeling it wont be the only one I build. But then also I have to find room If i buy a bunch of new jars. As always, I appreciate the advice.

There is no part of the P-51 that can't be properly colored with a mix of Tamiya paints.

[cbaltrin]

May 12, 2024 13:57:32 GMT -5 dupes said:

May 11, 2024 23:17:27 GMT -5 project510 said:

So while I have all the P51 experts huddled around this campfire.. I have a question.

I was reading the instructions for the Eduards kit that I have for this future build and all the suggested paints are Creos (Mr. Color) and I am pretty much a Tamiya guy with some alclad and testors enamels tossed in.
Is it worth the added expense to buy all of the Creos colors? Ive read online I can get the same results with Tamiya it just results in more mixing of paint. I want it to be accurate but id like to save money... but at the same time. With how excited I am about this kit and building my first plane. I have a feeling it wont be the only one I build. But then also I have to find room If i buy a bunch of new jars. As always, I appreciate the advice.

There is no part of the P-51 that can't be properly colored with a mix of Tamiya paints.

Ditto!
I feel like someone just said that...

[project510]

Great. It seems like getting the right look does not require specific paints. If Tamiya works for accuracy that's great as I probably have most if not all of the colors already. Thanks!

[kyledehart5]

Seems like you have your answer. Me, I’m a sucker for paint so I love to try anything. I actually really like the Mr color stuff. And AK real colors. And Tamiya. So, if you already have Most of the Tamiya colors then you’ll be in good shape.

[tcoat]

May 11, 2024 23:17:27 GMT -5 project510 said:

So while I have all the P51 experts huddled around this campfire.. I have a question.

I was reading the instructions for the Eduards kit that I have for this future build and all the suggested paints are Creos (Mr. Color) and I am pretty much a Tamiya guy with some alclad and testors enamels tossed in.
Is it worth the added expense to buy all of the Creos colors? Ive read online I can get the same results with Tamiya it just results in more mixing of paint. I want it to be accurate but id like to save money... but at the same time. With how excited I am about this kit and building my first plane. I have a feeling it wont be the only one I build. But then also I have to find room If i buy a bunch of new jars. As always, I appreciate the advice.

If there is one thing I learned after a hundred hours of research on the crashed Mustang I built it that is contrary to some "experts" there are NO accurate paints for Mustangs (or most other WW2 planes or vehicles for that matter). Most paints were mixed on site where the equipment was built not brought in from one central supply so the variation in shade and tone can be massive. Yes there were instructions on what to mix with what to get the standard colour but when you throw in human error, variations in base tones/shades, different application processes, varied weather conditions, etc, etc into the mix the standard colours can be anything but standard. That doesn't even start to touch the changes that happened depending on how the planes were store, shipped, used and maintained which will change the exposed colours even more. You could potentially have a whole wing of aircraft that had no two that were identical.

Use those recommended colours as a guide but they are not gospel.

Oh god I can hear the ARC and IPMS throngs gathering their torches and pitchforks to come after me.

[themongoose]

I have a pair of Red-Tails that I would pull off the shelf for sure! I’m in the later this year camp, the pattern is full ghost rider 🤣

[mrt51]

May 11, 2024 23:58:58 GMT -5 jeaton01 said:

May 2, 2024 8:15:32 GMT -5 mrt51 said:

This could be the main event for me.

Terry, if you haven't already bought the Dragon kit I would recommend the Revell 1/32 P-51D kits (Not the P-51B, its really old).  Not very expensive and pretty good.  The only issue I  have with it is the bubble canopy which has some optical issues.

Modeling should be a challenge or it's not modeling.

[jeaton01]

Well, Terry, I'm sure you are the man to do this, and fun is where you find it.

[mrt51]

Another P51 option.

[Whiterook]

I’m watching this one!!! I have a ‘stang currently 99% built, but not painted… it’s been a beast with all kinds of things going sideways on her, but it’s based on the famous beer runs done by the British, lol. Anyway, with what I learned on that model, I may be interesting in a second Mustang.

[project510]

So while we wait on this. I have a ton of questions. But Ill start with the biggest one. 

Because this is my first military model, let alone first plane I wasn't sure how to choose. I love the History of WWII so I chose this kit because it specifically mentioned Overlord and D-Day. All of the below planes are listed and have decals for them in the kit. And there are a lot. I am trying to decide which to go with. If any of these stand out to anyone, info would be cool. I will be researching each induvial pilot, but maybe one of you will know some info!


COL A
P51B-10-NA, s/n 43-6934, Cpt. Henry White, 328th FS, 352th FG, 8th AF, Bodney, Great Britain, June 1944

COL B
P51B-10-NA, s/n 42-106472, Lt. Carlton Fuhrman, 486th FS, 352th FG, 8th AF, Bodney, Great Britain, June 1944

COL C
P51B-10-NA, s/n 43-6688, 1Lt. Arval „Robide“ Roberson, 362nd FS, 357th FG, 8th AF, Leiston, Great Britain, June 1944

COL D
P51C-1-NT, s/n 42-103309, Lt. William B. Overstreet, 363rd FS, 357th FG, 8th AF, Leiston, Great Britain, June 1944

COL E
P51B-10-NA, s/n 42-106448, Cpt. Henry W. "Baby" Brown, 354th FS, 355th FG, 8th AF, Steeple Morden, Great Britain, June 1944

COL F
P51B-15-NA, s/n 42-106924, 2nd Lt. Ralph K. „Kid“ Hofer, 334th FS, 4th FG, 8th AF, Debden, Great Britain, June 1944

COL G
P51B-5-NA, s/n 43-6425, Maj. Jack T. Bradley, CO 353rd FS, 354th FG, 9th AF, A.2 Criqueville, France, June 1944

COL H
P51B-10-NA, s/n 42-106647, Capt. John R. Brown, 382nd FS, 363rd FG, 9th AF, Staplehurst, Great Britain, June 1944

COL I
P51B-15-NA, s/n 42-106763, Capt. George R. Rew, 374th FS, 361st FG, 8th AF, Bottisham, Great Britain, June 1944

COL J
Mustang Mk.III, FB382, S/Ldr Eugeniusz „Dziubek“ Horbaczewski, No. 315 (Polish) Squadron, RAF Coolham, Great Britain, June 1944

So. Many. Options.

[keavdog]

For me this one would be an easy pick. The Berlin Express - Lt William B. Overstreet's mount

Famous for:

[project510]

I think someone posted this photo recently. I remember seeing it. But This plane was one of my choices based on looks alone. 

[project510]

These are the other two of my 3 favorites based on how they look without knowing any of the history. I also do not know the significance of the different tops either. Im sure its based on production years or something like that.

[tcoat]

May 22, 2024 17:49:19 GMT -5 project510 said:

These are the other two of my 3 favorites based on how they look without knowing any of the history. I also do not know the significance of the different tops either. Im sure its based on production years or something like that.

That Big Mac one is cool with the over painted invasion stripes on the top.
The different tops (and other less obvious changes) are for various mark levels of the plane sort of there were K,W, and J model 510s.

[keavdog]

The canopy variances are a bit of a timing/mod issue. As I understand when the Brits took delivery of the Mustangs they found the hinged canopy (like Berlin Express) too limited in visibility so they modified with what is know as the Malcolm hood (like Big Mac). Many of the 8th/9th airforce P-51b/cs adopted the modification as well. Others may know more details.