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Post by sfcmikej on Jan 10, 2013 20:37:18 GMT -5
Ok here is my first WIP. I have recently gotten back into the hobby after decades of inactivity. Not wanting to invest a huge sum of cash into a learning experience I bought this Dragon Pz.Kpfw.IV.F2(G) from my LHS from an open box sale after making sure it had all the parts. I hope I got a deal! My objective is to get feed back from ya'll here to help improve my efforts and also to document my techniques so I can see what works and what doesn't. I will also add my observations, critiques and opinions of the kit and what I am doin with it because I just can't help myself. ;D I invite any comments you care to make. The good, the bad and the ugly! Here are some shots of the first steps of the assembly: Here is the Final Drive: Here is the front of the hull: I left off the tow pins. They are microscopic and I wanted to wait until later, closer to paint, to decide what to do with them. Here is the side of the hull with the fuel caps, bump stops and suspension mounts And finally to Tail End Well it's a start. I hope it all works out in the end! Mike
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Post by deafpanzer on Jan 10, 2013 21:03:50 GMT -5
Great deal you got Mike! Love 'em Pz IV except for the wheels. But it should be easy fun build.... you are having a good start!
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Post by tonylee-Rest In Peace on Jan 10, 2013 21:12:23 GMT -5
Now That's what you call Cheap Fun Tony lee
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Post by reserve on Jan 10, 2013 21:12:36 GMT -5
This was a good deal, and you picked a beaut to get started again with. I did the H from Dragon awhile back and while they have alot of parts, small parts at that, I found no mousetraps in it and it built up pretty nice.
Regards, Mark
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Post by modelfreak72 on Jan 11, 2013 13:21:58 GMT -5
I'd say you got a deal! Most of the LHS up knock off maybe 10 bucks off! That is a sweet kit, I built the F1, lots of parts and lots of fun! ;D
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Post by wbill76 on Jan 11, 2013 14:07:26 GMT -5
DML's Pz IV Smart Kits are some of their best kits IMHO. I've built one of these and have another in the stash. Feel free to use the build log I kept to avoid the usual DML pitfalls in the instructions. www.bpmodels.net/Model/Album/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=34 Looking forward to seeing what you do with this one!
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Post by sfcmikej on Jan 11, 2013 18:19:35 GMT -5
Andy: Been pretty straight forward so far. I have some minor issues with the instructions but nothing major yet. And I already got the wheels together...but not painted Tony: Cheap fun. That's what I am talking about. Now if only I could find a cheap date... Mark: Small parts? Rebuilding a carburetor has small parts. This has little bitty teeny tiny parts. MF72: You are right. Lots of parts. More parts than any three Tamiya kits from the 70s and 80s that I built. You're right lots of fun so far. Bill: Thanks for stopping in and for the link. I already had it bookmarked. I probably account for the 100 or so viewers in your stats for that build. Your stuff pushed me over the top to jump back in. I should be able to post more progress tonight. Mike
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Post by reserve on Jan 11, 2013 18:43:30 GMT -5
Ha! Now there's a matter of perspective for sure. Wait'll you tangle with a Dragon Marder or 38(t), beautiful kits that redifine the term small.
Regards, Mark
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Post by wbill76 on Jan 11, 2013 20:46:20 GMT -5
Glad to hear I had an influence Mike (whether positive or not will depend on how the build goes! ).
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Post by sfcmikej on Jan 11, 2013 21:01:24 GMT -5
OK. Made some more progress. This is the hull rear flipped upside down to show the radiator cap and the turret motor muffler/exhaust. Bored out the exhaust pipe with a round needle file. I have some micro twist drills on order. Can't wait for them to arrive! Here is what the suspension arms and leaf springs looked like before cleanup. PITA! This is the back of the hull complete. For some reason I had a hard time getting the exhaust together and then mounted on the hull. I think I recovered ok and it looks right now. Paint will tell... I went with the most complex of the three options on the tow pintle just to get practice with the tiny bits. I hollowed out the exhaust pipe with my needle file and then a #11 Xacto blade. Ya'll think it needs to be thinner? Sorry for the dark pic. Still working out camera operations. The suspension has been installed and you can kinda see I got the glacis plate on too Here is a detail shot of the suspension arm. I took this to see how good a picture I could get up close and because I am amazed at the level of detail molded in to the plastic. If the old eyes were better I betcha I could tell if the bolts are metric or SAE. I saved the bitch for last... Darn I crack myself up. This is Step one of the introductions. I direct your attention to assembly E. Part A51 is about 3mm long and part A53 is even smaller. Together their mass is measured in micrograms. Gluing these two parts together is near impossible for me AND what the heck am I supposed to do with them until they are used in Step 13 and Step 17? I know sometimes you just can't help feeding the carpet monster by why invite it over for dinner? I did not put this assembly together here instead I waited until it was time to glue it to the hull and turret and them glued A51 on first and when set glued A53 to it. That seemed to work pretty well for me. So far so good. Please let me know if you see anything I missed. All comment welcome, The good the bad and the ugly! Mike
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Post by bbd468 on Jan 11, 2013 21:11:55 GMT -5
Hey Mike, Im excited to see this come together as i got this same kit last year for my birthday. I'll probably be building it towards the end of the year...if not sooner! Ill be watchin' and takin' notes. Looks great so far too. "Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo"....nice! Gary EDIT: BTW....what a steal at that price!!! My nephew bought it for more than double that...but i wont tell him.... ;D
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Post by sfcmikej on Jan 12, 2013 14:16:27 GMT -5
Gary: I hope I can do it justice so your notes might prove to be helpful. What the heck it can always be used as a bad example it it don't turn out.
Nemo: Honored to have you aboard. Those cutaways of yours are mind boggling. Oh, I was wondering why the constable was givin' me the eye!
Working on the next update.
Mike
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Post by Mence on Jan 12, 2013 15:30:39 GMT -5
25$ is a belting deal, when you consider how much quality styrene greets you when you open the box!
Enjoy...
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Post by wbill76 on Jan 12, 2013 15:57:09 GMT -5
Making good progress Mike! I always chuckle at that lifting hook assembly step in Step 1...I think they just stashed it there because they ran out of room elsewhere in the instruction sheets TBH!
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Post by bullardino on Jan 12, 2013 16:12:06 GMT -5
Wow, Mike, stunning details... I will save your trick with those tiny parts for future use, it's the wisest way to handle them
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Post by sfcmikej on Jan 12, 2013 22:09:21 GMT -5
Bill: Glad you see humor in it! Tis kinda crazy.
Luigi: I am happy my fat fingers can help you in the future.
Mike
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Post by sfcmikej on Jan 12, 2013 22:53:08 GMT -5
OK a small update and my first real problem. A problem with paint or my technique. Earlier in the Paint Maintenance thread I started I posted my problems with Panzer Interior Buff and brush painting it. I will post the final outcome of that problem a little later. For now the construction has moved to the upper hull. Steps 8 through 11 went pretty much as per instructions with the exception of external tools. I am saving them for after painting. Here are the four corners of the upper hull. Pretty straight forward and no real issues. Now for the paint problem, or perhaps technique problem. I decided to build the entire bow machine gun even though it will not be seen. I looked at it as a chance to practice small parts and some detail painting. I was not terribly happy with the results. I painted the MG flat black with the idea of pre-shading. Then on went a light coat or two of gun metal then dry brushing with steel. All Model Master Enamels. Some were a few years old. The flat black wasn't flat and the gun metal was more black/dark then I expected. I did not prime the parts at all and with the advice from the Paint Maintenance thread I think I should have. It seems that I lost some detail to googpy paint. Here are some pics: Looking at the top: RIght Side of gun: Left Side: Any comments, critical observations and corrections to my techniques will be gladly welcomed. Hopefully more tomorrow. Mike
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Post by bullardino on Jan 13, 2013 3:41:34 GMT -5
I think that maybe you've added too much light color. All the pictures I've seen make the weapons look much darker. Yet, I'm no expert in german MGs so I may be totally wrong. The tank is looking great, very clean build
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Post by bbd468 on Jan 13, 2013 10:29:45 GMT -5
Hey Mike, more progress i see. Lookin' fine man. The MG may be a bit light but but ive seen well worn and handled assault rifles like AK 47's look just like that. Its what ever your comfortable with buddy. Keep it comin' man! Gary
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Post by spud on Jan 13, 2013 10:33:37 GMT -5
Fantastic Mike,
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Post by sfcmikej on Jan 13, 2013 11:44:13 GMT -5
Luigi: I think you are right about the gun being too light in color. I think that might be photography more than paint but still. In the picture of the front of the hull you can see the barrel and it looks more like the color in real life.
Gary: You an Luigi make it unanimous. Too light. At least the barrel portion that will actually be seen looks OK. I think as I was painting I was thinking about the M2 .50 Cal. They always had a lighter grayer look then our rifles and other machine guns. Well that is why we call it a learning experience.
Spud: Thanks for coming along for the ride.
Mike
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Post by bullardino on Jan 14, 2013 3:20:07 GMT -5
Mike, I hadn't noticed that part of the picture. It is definitely a photographic thing, the colour in that pic is perfect
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Post by wbill76 on Jan 14, 2013 11:35:51 GMT -5
I can understand why you painted the MG at this point but I typically paint it (carefully, with a detail pointed brush) after install and the hull is painted. Simply because it's hard to mask/protect that MG when it comes time to airbrush the hull and mount it sits in. That's something you may wish to consider differently for the future depending. With that aside, some good progress going on the hull construction!
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Post by sfcmikej on Jan 14, 2013 12:07:24 GMT -5
Luigi: Thanks friend!
Bill: That is what I am doing with the coax. Thanks for the look and the encouragement.
I was hoping to have an update but the computer I have pics on blew up on me yesterday. Being in the IT business I have multiple computers but I have to move files and install software on another computer. Tis a pain. Hopefully more tonight.
Mike
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Post by bish on Jan 14, 2013 12:21:29 GMT -5
A Dragon Samrt Kit for that price, i should say you got a deal. Nice start on this.
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Post by sfcmikej on Jan 15, 2013 18:19:17 GMT -5
Bish: Thanks for stopping by and for the kind comment.
Kenny: Thanks. Hopefully more soon.
Nemo: Thanks for the tips. The sad part is I spent 20 years in the Army as an Infantryman and Cav Scout and toted the damn things around. I started my Army life as a Machine Gunner with the 82nd dragging the pig (M60) through the woods and I can't seem to get (or remember) the right look. I would add that I agree on the museum pieces but in my experience, in operational units, they are typically a bit worn and a bit lighter in color due to wear. But I think ya'll are correct and I got it too light.
Computer problems semi repaired. Hopefully some progress to post tonight!
Mike
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Post by wing_nut on Jan 15, 2013 18:48:10 GMT -5
Is this your 1st Dragon PZ IV? They are really nice kits. And even better at that price.
For the MG's, the WWI fly boys gave me a method that I am happy with. It ends up like Dicky but I just paint it flat black and make some pencil lead dust on fine sandpaper, rub my finger in it and lightly go over the gun.
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Post by 406 Silverado on Jan 15, 2013 19:53:12 GMT -5
Now I am sooo tempted to start one of my IV's...or finish the one I started lol. Nice clean building on this one.
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Post by sfcmikej on Jan 15, 2013 19:56:44 GMT -5
Wing_Nut: This is my first Dragon...EVER! Back in the day the Armor was almost exclusively Tamyia. I am gonna give that method a try.
Mike
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Post by sfcmikej on Jan 16, 2013 19:31:26 GMT -5
Well now that I have exceeded my frustration quota in getting another computer up and running I have an Update. Part 1 of the update is a tools update. My new Micro Drill Set! Bits #61 through #80 along with a pin vise with 4 interchangeable chucks. That is two, double sided chucks. This was about 14 bucks (including shipping) from CML Supply through Amazon. Who knew you could get such stuff from a bookstore? I managed to get the upper hull done and mated to the lower hull. I have left all of the tools off in order to facilitate detail painting. I did have some fit issues putting the upper and lower hulls together requiring much sanding and test fitting and filing and test fitting....and then some serious finger pressure to get together. I am taking all the credit for the poor fit. I think I either didn't get the hull superstructure exactly correct or I missed the intakes by a bit. I am fairly satisfied with the result except this one spot on the left side of the hull: How do you like that PE? My first PE ever. Did OK with the non-bending PE parts. Those with bends...not so much. Anyway back to the gap. It is actually pretty small. The picture makes it canyon size. I am going to model a tank from the 15th Panzer Regiment in 1942 Russia and it will be Panzer Gray. I am hoping that dark color will minimize the effect of that small gap. Any suggestions on what to do, if anything will be greatly appreciated. The next problem is the tow cable. The instructions seem to call for cutting the wire at 150mm. In one of his build logs Bill pointed out that this was not correct but I wasn't sure if it was too long or too short. I think it is both. From the cable end loop to the cable end loop needs to be 150mm if you follow the mounting pattern in the instructions. The plastic cable ends are 15mm each for a total of 30mm of length. So the steel cable needs to be cut to 120mm PLUS the length that inserts into the ends and gets glued. Since mine are already glued I am not sure what the extra is but probably 2-3mm per end. To stretch one more turn around the cable mounts it needs to be 184mm or 11mm longer than the cable constructed as I interpreted the instructions. So I have a cable that is too long to match the instruction diagram and too short to make another turn to the opposite mount. Grrrrr... I broke what I consider the worst engineered part of the model, the tow cable mounts. These are very thin and are positioned using a half round peg to help orient them correctly. I glued them on and being the Lumox that I am promptly broke them off trying to fit the ill constructed cable. So here is my first bit of scratch building. Using some 0.84mm brass rod I made new ones: Then drilled through the back plate with a #68 bit and glued in the new mounts: Here you can see the new mounts and the right side of the hull and the rest of the PE: Here is two pics of the overall build so far" The final PE situation was what I will call the fender support in the following pic. It is the part to the left of the bow MG. THere is a PE part for this that defeated me. I just could not get the part to fold correctly. I don't have a vast array of folding tools. I got the feet to bend into shape but I failed with the long fold along the top. I broke out the sanding sticks and files and considerably thinned the plastic on this part and went with that. I think the PE part would have been a better choice but there needs to be some more PE practice on my part. I have made progress on the turret and should be able to post that later tonight or on Thursday. Thanks for stopping in. Mike
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