daveb714
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Post by daveb714 on Mar 3, 2015 7:23:40 GMT -5
You prove it can be done. I'm ready to start the indy links on my Pz.1 and not looking forward to it.
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DennisM
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Post by DennisM on Mar 3, 2015 8:20:36 GMT -5
I think that the old fashioned tube glue might be the answer to the 250/251 track pad problem. With the liquid cement too much glue and the links glue together and too little and they come apart when you mess with them.
Would old fashioned tube glue work? It is much more controllable in where it goes and how much. I don't have any to try it out.
Just a thought,
Dennis
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BJ---Rest In Peace
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Post by BJ---Rest In Peace on Mar 3, 2015 14:29:20 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this to you if so sorry for the repeat, I didn't see it anywhere in the thread. Here is a Link to the Perth Site doing a comparison review of 251 tracks and it tells you how to fix the AFV issues. www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/misc/251track.htmI came up with this trick for resin tracks and PE so maybe this will kelp you with your Plastic tracks. Test it first on some scratch plastic to make sure the Acetone doesn't attack your plastic, I have never had an issue with it on plastic but just be safe and check for yourself. When assembling Resin Individual Links is I will mix up a concoction of CA and Acetone. (Acetone dissolves CA if you didn't know that) to create a brushable Liquid version of CA. The acetone slows down the setting time of the CA (Usually a minute or so until it evaporates) allowing you time to position your tracks the way you want. The nice thing about this way is the glue evenly spreads itself out thus avoiding that initial blob of CA. This also works for the initial tacking of PE but usually not strong enough for the final hold. I just use a Paint brush from wallyworld's 50 brush pack. I can usually clean the brush a few times before throwing it away. The Mixture ratio is not really that important roughly 1part CA 10 parts Acetone but you can adjust this to make it stronger or weaker. I usually just take a full tube of super glue and squirt it in a small glass bottle, then fill the rest with acetone and shake it up real good.. I use the cheap stuff from the Dollar Store, 3 tubes for a buck so I usually just buy 10 or so packs at a time so I have it around all the time and I use a miniature Jelly bottles you get at Christmas or just an old airbrush bottle, if it seals good it will last a few weeks but if evaporates you can restore it by adding more acetone as CA doesn't evaporate. (After awhile I will just let dry out and I can usually just pull a dried skin of CA out an reuse the bottle. (A poly film canister works good also but those are getting harder to find) Hope this helps you out.. Here is a set of tracks I used this technique on.I made a mold of the Tristar 38t tracks and cast up a few 100 to replace the Tamiya Rubberband tracks. Once everything is dried I use a stiff Toothbrush to Clean off all the resin flash as the CA mixture makes it brittle and it just easily flakes off. And the start of the weathering of the lower hull.. This is another one of those shelf queens I may finish yet.      |
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Post by Leon on Mar 3, 2015 16:29:18 GMT -5
Dave I'm going to give them my best shot and hope it works  .Always have the kit tracks which don't look bad. Dennis! Thanks for the suggestion,i do have some tube on hand. Billiejean! Thank you for the link,this is a big help  .Didn't know the AFV pads were vinyl and there lies the problem with trying to use liquid glue. |
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Post by dierk on Mar 4, 2015 8:09:51 GMT -5
Nice progess on the tracks Leon!
Excellent tip billie.jean - I've been wondering how to deal with some resin indy links for my T-60 (when I get round to it) and thanks to you I now know! Just for that: karma + 1 Thumbs Up!
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Post by Leon on Mar 4, 2015 16:16:00 GMT -5
Dierk! Thank you buddy .Planned on gluing the pads on tonight but I had a REALLY bad day at work  and working on the pads would probably end up a disaster.  |
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Post by dierk on Mar 5, 2015 6:48:50 GMT -5
I hear you mate! After a wind-up at work you don't need a wind-up in your hobby as well!
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Jelly
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Post by Jelly on Mar 5, 2015 12:38:54 GMT -5
Dierk! Thank you buddy .Planned on gluing the pads on tonight but I had a REALLY bad day at work and working on the pads would probably end up a disaster. Hey there Leon Ok, you know perfectly the theory: to take it easy, one has only got a life, and just the same end for "the movie" Wise decission to put the finger out of the trigger (modelling context), I find that I need to be ok to model. If I've been ***ked at job, I get the same precission than a chimp with an AK47 full auto mode. Anyway, youll do a good job with the halftrack Later Jelly |
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Post by Leon on Mar 5, 2015 17:09:58 GMT -5
Jelly thank you! |
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Post by Leon on Mar 7, 2015 12:13:37 GMT -5
Afternoon guys! I started the build on the 251.Steps 1&2 done,have to say i'm glad I found a review on this kit as there are a lot of heavy EPM's to be dealt with and some other small issues.I'll be going back and forth to the review to make sure I do things correctly.    Thanks for looking,as always ACW. |
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Post by Leon on Mar 7, 2015 17:17:18 GMT -5
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reserve
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Post by reserve on Mar 7, 2015 19:00:40 GMT -5
Coming along sweet brother
Regards,
Mark
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Post by Leon on Mar 7, 2015 19:15:24 GMT -5
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Post by Leon on Mar 7, 2015 19:21:50 GMT -5
Mark! Thank you brother !I've been darting back and forth between the build and review on Armorama to make sure things are going smoothly. Going good so far. |
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Post by wing_nut on Mar 7, 2015 19:55:12 GMT -5
Looks good Leon. keep it up and she'll be a beauty. Dunno if the AFV club t has a similar alignment issue like the Dragon kits when mounting the front wheels/axles. With the Dragon kit the front would be off if you didn't take into account the thickness of the tracks. It was to get right a long as you laid some of track under the road wheels and them gt the front end in lace. ) |
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Post by Leon on Mar 7, 2015 20:03:23 GMT -5
Mark! Thanks for the suggestion ,that's a great idea. |
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Post by deafpanzer on Mar 8, 2015 9:07:47 GMT -5
Looking sharp... good luck with the tracks fitting! That part always make me nervous...
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Post by Leon on Mar 8, 2015 9:41:40 GMT -5
Andy thank you buddy! Not worried about the tracks,it's the loose fitting wheels that I need to try and keep lined straight. Doing some PE work now,will post pics when I'm done. |
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Post by Leon on Mar 8, 2015 11:08:36 GMT -5
Afternoon guys!Started working on the interior,got the levers,pedals and some PE done.Don't know how well you can see the brake lever but I managed to cut off the plastic brake handle and bend up the TINY PE handle.Boy was that a test of patience waiting for it to ping out of the tweezers.I really need to get a PE bender if I'm going to use a lot of this.   Thanks for looking,as always ACW. |
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Post by Leon on Mar 8, 2015 14:14:39 GMT -5
Hi guys! Just finished adding some more PE bits to the interior.Never thought i would say this!!!! I'm haveing a lot of fun with this .Hope you like the progress.    Thanks for looking,as always ACW. |
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Post by dupes on Mar 8, 2015 14:27:10 GMT -5
Making quick work of this one, Leon! PE looks good.
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Post by Leon on Mar 8, 2015 14:37:01 GMT -5
Dupes thank you! The PE sure makes a big differance over the kit parts. |
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Post by dierk on Mar 9, 2015 6:44:56 GMT -5
Full steam ahead thee Leon - at this rate you'll be finished by the end of he week Looking good! |
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Post by TRM on Mar 9, 2015 6:54:19 GMT -5
Catching up here brotha!! Despite the hiccups in the beginning there, this is coming along smartly my friend!! The PE does a lot for the interior! Well done!! Keep it going!!
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Post by deafpanzer on Mar 9, 2015 14:14:32 GMT -5
Fantastic PE work! I am glad you are going extra mile on this!
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Post by mrt51 on Mar 9, 2015 14:17:13 GMT -5
Looking real good Leon!
Terry
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Post by Leon on Mar 9, 2015 15:30:48 GMT -5
Dierk Thank you! As for the end of the week finish, no way buddy  .Still have to finish up the interior on the lower and upper hull and then primer and paint before I button it up. Todd thank you brotha ! This is the most PE I've ever worked with and having fun with it for now. Andy thank you buddy !Going the extra mile is giving me the confidence that I can work with PE and not be intimidated by it. Terry thank you! |
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Jelly
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Post by Jelly on Mar 9, 2015 15:43:18 GMT -5
Dramatic advance there, Leo, very good job right?? cool status ! Later Leon, Jelly |
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Post by Leon on Mar 9, 2015 15:53:34 GMT -5
Jelly! Thank you,much appreciated. |
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Post by Deano on Mar 9, 2015 16:28:08 GMT -5
Coming along nicely Leon also good neat work with the PE . PE is a love/hate relationship .... I like it in small doses but too much and I throw the head up lol
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.Always have the kit tracks which don't look bad. 
.Didn't know the AFV pads were vinyl and there lies the problem with trying to use liquid glue. 
and working on the pads would probably end up a disaster. 
.Still have to finish up the interior on the lower and upper hull and then primer and paint before I button it up. 
