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Post by noname on Nov 11, 2012 20:58:22 GMT -5
You are doing a great job on this Bill.
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Post by spud on Nov 11, 2012 20:59:57 GMT -5
Very cool Bill
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Post by eastrock on Nov 12, 2012 0:48:57 GMT -5
patience is virtue Bill, wait for it to cure... it really turn out great, love the paint work
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Post by wouter on Nov 12, 2012 2:48:09 GMT -5
very glad to see the paint appear, Bill! That basecoat looks great, and I love the contrast with the grey cupola. The whitewash looks neat as well, great base for weathering indeed!
Cheers
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Post by wbill76 on Nov 12, 2012 18:40:49 GMT -5
Thanks noname and Spud! ER, yes, definitely have to remain patient with this one...temptation to move too fast is usually recipe for disaster and would hate to screw this one up at this stage of the game. Wouts, thanks as well, looking forward to the weathering stage! White is often a pretty stark color but so far the underlying coat of the Russian Green has kept it from being too bright and the weathering will tone it down even further.
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Post by bigjohn on Nov 13, 2012 6:50:19 GMT -5
Good looking start on the paint Bill, nice foundation for the fun stuff to come.
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Post by madairbrush on Nov 13, 2012 12:28:46 GMT -5
Hi Bill, I had the problem, that the single elements of the track are so tiny and fragile, that some of them broke by cutting them out. And as I used the paint, pigments and thinner, the plastic become soft and broke/ fell apart.
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Post by wbill76 on Nov 13, 2012 18:47:44 GMT -5
Thanks BJ!,
MAB, I can see how that would ruin your day! I have heard that the AFV parts engineering can often cause issues with sprue removal and parts damage. Sounds like their styrene mix is also prone to suffer if you use too 'hot' of a thinner or solvent mix directly on them. Will remember that for the future, thanks!
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Post by reserve on Nov 14, 2012 1:56:39 GMT -5
Very sharp. It's been a long time since I've tried winter whitewash, it never occured to me to airbrush it on. I always did sucsessive layers of drybrushing with acryllics to cut down on in between time. Since nothing from that era has survived I can't say if it ended up looking good or not but I can say I like your results alot.
Regards, Mark
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Post by wbill76 on Nov 15, 2012 12:37:25 GMT -5
Thanks Mark! Since I work with enamels vs. acrylics some of the newer trends in whitewash aren't open to me so I have to get creative. I guess you could call this approach the 'addition by subtraction' method in the sense that the next steps will start to create the wear from the airbrushed work instead of building it up from the bottom. Let's see if it pans out the way I think it will!
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Post by wbill76 on Nov 18, 2012 12:32:19 GMT -5
Picking up from last week, the latest round of effort dealt with the white wash scheme as well as the remaining exterior details and getting that squared away. First up, I used an old brush and stippled and dry-brushed MM enamel Russian Armor Green over the previous air brushed Flat White finish to create some wear and depth to the finish. The same process was repeated with the Flat White to overlay the Green and mute some of the harshness and create the sense of brush strokes and transparency between the two colors. For the cupola the process was the same but I used Panzer Gray instead of the Green to keep its contrast as an add-on part compared to the original green of the T-34. The process is pretty hard on the brush, so be prepared for it to consume the brush potentially in the process! By the time I was done, the brush was worn down pretty good but it was a noble sacrifice for the result achieved. With that done, it was time to add the tools and other details for the exterior. Tools were detailed with MM Metalizer Gunmetal for their metal portions and given a light dry-brushing of Steel, the wood handle for the shovel was done with a base coat of 50/50 Light Gray/Panzer Dunkelgelb followed by a treatment of umber artist pastels, and the Bakelite handles on the wire cutters done using Italian Dark Brown. Spare track links were also detailed and installed at this point. Rear hull got some attention as well, the exhausts were detailed with a base coat of MM Metalizer Gunmetal followed by a light wash of thinned enamel Rust. Once dry, some Burnt Umber and Black artist pastels were used to deepen the look and create some diesel soot accumulation. The rear Notek lenses were picked out with Tamiya Clear Green to round things out. Front hull saw the addition of the hull MG and the driver's periscopes picked out using a combination of enamel Silver and Tamiya Clear Smoke. Enamel Silver was used for the reflective insides of the headlights as well. Next up will be laying down the protective Future coat, adding the decals, and then starting in on the remaining weathering for the hull.
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Post by eastrock on Nov 18, 2012 12:59:47 GMT -5
poor brushy... another great tips from Bill, I agree with Nemo. If I'll do a winter I probably have to sort out different paints since MM is not availble here.
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Post by Tojo72 on Nov 18, 2012 13:08:46 GMT -5
ice job on that whitewash Bill
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Post by TRM on Nov 18, 2012 13:15:39 GMT -5
Beautiful work there Bill!! Amazing finish to the WW and then you for the SBS!!! The sacrificial brush is indeed worth the effort!!
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Post by ogrejohn on Nov 18, 2012 14:21:12 GMT -5
Very nice effect on the whitewash Bill!
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Post by sturmbird on Nov 18, 2012 14:37:46 GMT -5
Picking up from last week, the latest round of effort dealt with the white wash scheme as well as the remaining exterior details and getting that squared away. First up, I used an old brush and stippled and dry-brushed MM enamel Russian Armor Green over the previous air brushed Flat White finish to create some wear and depth to the finish. The same process was repeated with the Flat White to overlay the Green and mute some of the harshness and create the sense of brush strokes and transparency between the two colors. For the cupola the process was the same but I used Panzer Gray instead of the Green to keep its contrast as an add-on part compared to the original green of the T-34. The process is pretty hard on the brush, so be prepared for it to consume the brush potentially in the process! By the time I was done, the brush was worn down pretty good but it was a noble sacrifice for the result achieved. With that done, it was time to add the tools and other details for the exterior. Tools were detailed with MM Metalizer Gunmetal for their metal portions and given a light dry-brushing of Steel, the wood handle for the shovel was done with a base coat of 50/50 Light Gray/Panzer Dunkelgelb followed by a treatment of umber artist pastels, and the Bakelite handles on the wire cutters done using Italian Dark Brown. Spare track links were also detailed and installed at this point. Rear hull got some attention as well, the exhausts were detailed with a base coat of MM Metalizer Gunmetal followed by a light wash of thinned enamel Rust. Once dry, some Burnt Umber and Black artist pastels were used to deepen the look and create some diesel soot accumulation. The rear Notek lenses were picked out with Tamiya Clear Green to round things out. Front hull saw the addition of the hull MG and the driver's periscopes picked out using a combination of enamel Silver and Tamiya Clear Smoke. Enamel Silver was used for the reflective insides of the headlights as well. Next up will be laying down the protective Future coat, adding the decals, and then starting in on the remaining weathering for the hull. your paint job gives me shivers, and just plain looks cold!!! I like it! I've got the same kit, and started to build it twice, but then I found a photo of one that changed everything for me. It has what looks like a KwK L41 or L43 gun on it with different tracks (not Russian!) Otherwise very similar. gary
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Post by tonylee on Nov 18, 2012 14:52:30 GMT -5
That sure is a different way of finding the end results the way it looks Bill and labor intensive to boot. But it works Tony
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2012 15:00:41 GMT -5
Very nice indeed Bill, WW is looking superb !
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Post by deafpanzer on Nov 18, 2012 16:33:10 GMT -5
Loving it!!! Different approach but it sure worked!!! I will do my best to attend the memorial service for your brush... saving old brushes for this very purpose so I can just discard them after tough jobs.
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Post by bullardino on Nov 18, 2012 16:38:57 GMT -5
Nice result, bill. That's definitely a new approach to WW, at least for me.
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Post by wbill76 on Nov 18, 2012 17:26:09 GMT -5
Dicky, the sacrifice was a worthy one, Brushy had reached the end of his normal service life but had one last duty to perform! ER, wow that's surprising that you don't have MM stuff available there in the Philippines. But then there are things that are tough to get here in the States as well so every place has their different supply considerations I guess. Thanks for commenting! Tojo, T, Ogrejohn and stevem, thanks for commenting as well! Sturmbird, wouldn't surprise me at all...the Germans did a lot of interesting things with captured equipment and new photos are turning up all the time. Sounds like you might be on to one of the stranger conversions, hope you bring it to life sometime soon! Tony, thanks as well and you're right about the time intensive approach. One of the downsides to working with enamels is that the speedy shortcuts like the hairspray technique aren't available so have to get creative in other ways! Andy, I hang on to my older brushes and try to use them for stuff like this whenever I can. I have a mini-collection of worn out brushes of different sizes and types that have definitely seen better days but make for great dry-brushing or wear/weathering tools...and each one will produce a unique result depending on their level of wear. Luigi well I did say early on in the build that my approach didn't have a designation and was just going to be whatever worked after some experimenting, so in that sense it's new to me as well! I am happy with the results as this was pretty close to what I was envisioning in my mind's eye when I started out with it...can't always say that's the case on some builds!
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Post by bigjohn on Nov 18, 2012 17:54:35 GMT -5
Nice update bill! Nice to get the details painted and ready for the weathering.
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Post by eastrock on Nov 18, 2012 20:52:32 GMT -5
yes there some stuff are not available locally its either we order online or ask our LHS to order with a bit cost higher...
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Post by reserve on Nov 19, 2012 1:42:01 GMT -5
Another process which turned out very well. The softening effect of the last DB go round was quite effective, turned out so nice I may have to steal your idea next time I do whitewash.
Regards, Mark
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Post by 406 Silverado on Nov 19, 2012 4:26:09 GMT -5
Getting caught up here Bill. Very nice w/w my friend. I found a nice pic in the new AK book of a faded w/w on a KT that I am dying to do someday. Looking forward to seeing what you do with this now that the paint is on....the fun part next.
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Post by bbd468 on Nov 19, 2012 11:41:34 GMT -5
Hey Bill, You have alot done since last i stopped by! Been busy with family comin' from out of town. She looks fantastic Bill, love the WW and really lookin' forward to the end result. Gary
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Post by wbill76 on Nov 19, 2012 12:28:27 GMT -5
Thanks BJ! Always nice to get the details squared away and ready for the final round! Mark, feel free to steal away my friend! The neat thing about WW finishes is they all have a life cycle from brand-new to barely-there and worn so you have lots of room to play with that type of finish as you please! Rob, thanks as well, should be able to get in some 'extra' time with the Thanksgiving holiday this week since I have it off from class work at least, so could get an early start on the weathering in the next couple days. Fingers crossed! Gary, glad you got caught up on this one! Always a busy time of year for family and holidays.
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Post by wing_nut on Nov 20, 2012 21:25:14 GMT -5
I've been waiting patiently to see what your white wash technique was going to be. I wait no longer. And It was worth the wait.
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Post by wbill76 on Nov 21, 2012 12:46:31 GMT -5
Thanks Marc! Glad it didn't disappoint. With today marking the 'official' start of my Thanksgiving day holiday (aka my wife's got time off the rest of the week so that means I do too!), I should have some more progress to report before the week's out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 14:24:19 GMT -5
Bill,just trying to play 'catch up' on the forum,as per usual,and I really do like the minimal wear you have used for the WW.Less is more,sometimes,don't you think? ;D ;D
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