Andrew's 1/72 S-Model Jagdpanther G2 x2

[hasenpfeffer]

Hmmm... they look more like leopards than panthers to me...

[Tojo72]

Coming to the finish line and looking good.

[Joe Rix]

Very nicely done on rendering the scheme. Looks great to me Andrew.

[Leon]

Camo is looking good Andrew!

[adt70hk]

Oct 14, 2023 8:18:15 GMT -5 Leon said:

Camo is looking good Andrew!

Thanks Leon!  Hope all is well with you?

Oct 13, 2023 18:02:23 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

That is looking especially good for the scale you're working with Andrew!! WOW!! Love the mottle pattern you pulled off.

Thanks Joe.

I used my best/most expensive/finest AB.  Officially it's a Tamiya Superfine AB (0.2mm) needle but actually half of it, including needle and nozzle, are IWATA.  I also proper play with one of those inline MAC valves....plus of course the paint consistency, as I was really worried about flooding the surface.

It took a while to get everything balance right but I got there in the end.

Oct 13, 2023 20:55:28 GMT -5 hasenpfeffer said:

Hmmm... they look more like leopards than panthers to me...

Now that made me laugh!!

Oct 14, 2023 7:18:06 GMT -5 Tojo72 said:

Coming to the finish line and looking good.

Thanks Anthony.  They are indeed.  just got paint the tracks, tools and a few paint scratches.

I'm going to keep the weathering fairly light, as they had not been with the unit for more than a few months and didn't see any action until the end of July.

Oct 14, 2023 7:46:35 GMT -5 Joe Rix said:

Very nicely done on rendering the scheme. Looks great to me Andrew.

Thanks Joe



Thanks again chaps, much appreciated.

[kyledehart5]

Almost missed the camo update! That looks really nice!

[adt70hk]

Oct 16, 2023 5:07:06 GMT -5 kyledehart5 said:

Almost missed the camo update! That looks really nice!

Thanks Kyle!

[DeafStuG]

Nice tiny and details!👌

[adt70hk]

Oct 26, 2023 9:18:13 GMT -5 DeafStuG said:

Nice tiny and details!👌

Thanks Jeremy.  They have stalled a bit but I'm hoping to get some work done on them over the weekend!

[adt70hk]

Hi guys

I just need to double check my facts and what I think I'm seeing.

I believe on Panthers that they initially started with rubber wheels but went to all steel as they ran low on rubber.

My homage is of the below vehicles and unless I am very much mistaken, it looks like rubber outer wheels and steel inners - certainly on the one that is side-on o the camera.  That's certainly what the Tank Museum G2 has.  Mine are meant to be earlier G2's

Am I right or am I wrong?

Thanks.

Andrew

[vw8243]

adt70hk

I think wat your looking at is the rubber wheels in these pics ,

[adt70hk]

Oct 28, 2023 14:00:39 GMT -5 vw8243 said:

adt70hk

I think wat your looking at is the rubber wheels in these pics ,

Leo (have i got that right?)

Thank you so very much for that!  So all had rubber but the inner ones had it in a different place and so the track teeth would have rubbed the paint off, which why the inner wheels look shiny and from the distance the photo was taken it can't be seen!

As you will have seen I have simple one piece tracks so in most case you will only see the side of the inner wheels!

Thank you again so very much.

Andrew

[vw8243]

Hi Andrew

Ya its Leo, You know wit the German stuff never say never , steel wheels were
probably used and mixed wit rubbers just to stay on the road ,oncolorised pic from previous pics .

[stikpusher]

Yes, the bright color you are seeing on the center row of road wheels is where the paint has worn off due to contact with the track link guide teeth. Due to the different configuration of the steel rimmed and rubber rimmed road wheels, flat vs. dished, I don't think that the two types can be mixed.

[vw8243]

stikpusher

Sorry, wat I was Trying to say was that they would have used both all steel wheels and rubber wheels if that combo was possible ?

[adt70hk]

Oct 28, 2023 14:44:37 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

Yes, the bright color you are seeing on the center row of road wheels is where the paint has worn off due to contact with the track link guide teeth. Due to the different configuration of the steel rimmed and rubber rimmed road wheels, flat vs. dished, I don't think that the two types can be mixed.

Thanks Carlos.  Another great bit if info.

Fortunately, for my purposes I can make this work fine.

Andrew

[vw8243]

Hi Lads

Im afraid my CURIOSITY got the better of me and I had to see if the wheels could be interchanged found a few pic s.
sorry for highjacking Andrew, .pics



in the first pic the first wheel behind the drive sprocket is arubber wheel among all steel wheels.




pic 2,
The last outer wheel is steel the rest are rubber. 

[adt70hk]

Oct 29, 2023 10:26:59 GMT -5 vw8243 said:

Hi Lads

Im afraid my CURIOSITY got the better of me and I had to see if the wheels could be interchanged found a few pic s.
sorry for highjacking Andrew, .pics



in the first pic the first wheel behind the drive sprocket is arubber wheel among all steel wheels.




pic 2,
The last outer wheel is steel the rest are rubber. 

Thanks Leo. That's good to know....!!

[dupes]

Oct 13, 2023 17:46:35 GMT -5 adt70hk said:

[/a]My two homages....



[/quote]

Really tough to paint those single piece wheel/track assemblies...this is looking really good so far.

[stikpusher]

Oct 29, 2023 10:26:59 GMT -5 vw8243 said:

Hi Lads

Im afraid my CURIOSITY got the better of me and I had to see if the wheels could be interchanged found a few pic s.
sorry for highjacking Andrew, .pics



in the first pic the first wheel behind the drive sprocket is arubber wheel among all steel wheels.




pic 2,
The last outer wheel is steel the rest are rubber. 

Well, I stand corrected. The two types of road wheels can be mixed.

[moramartht]

Well, I stand corrected. The two types of road wheels can be mixed.

Even worse, with a bit of fiddling, the rubber tyre concave outer wheels can be fitted to a T-34 - and often were!

Cheers,

M

[stikpusher]

I had heard of their use on T-34's. As far as the Panther dished road wheels go, they are the same for the outer or inner usage, just mounted oriented differently on the road wheel arm axles to allow for the interleaving.

[adt70hk]

Oct 29, 2023 11:45:11 GMT -5 dupes said:

Oct 13, 2023 17:46:35 GMT -5 adt70hk said:

[/a]My two homages....



[/quote]

Really tough to paint those single piece wheel/track assemblies...this is looking really good so far.
[/quote]


Dupes, actually it's not that bad....see below pics!

Oct 30, 2023 2:50:00 GMT -5 moramartht said:

Well, I stand corrected. The two types of road wheels can be mixed.

Even worse, with a bit of fiddling, the rubber tyre concave outer wheels can be fitted to a T-34 - and often were!

Cheers,

M

Oct 29, 2023 22:28:01 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

Oct 29, 2023 10:26:59 GMT -5 vw8243 said:

Hi Lads

Im afraid my CURIOSITY got the better of me and I had to see if the wheels could be interchanged found a few pic s.
sorry for highjacking Andrew, .pics



in the first pic the first wheel behind the drive sprocket is arubber wheel among all steel wheels.




pic 2,
The last outer wheel is steel the rest are rubber. 

Well, I stand corrected. The two types of road wheels can be mixed.

Oct 30, 2023 15:36:13 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

I had heard of their use on T-34's. As far as the Panther dished road wheels go, they are the same for the outer or inner usage, just mounted oriented differently on the road wheel arm axles to allow for the interleaving.

Thanks guys for the pics and info.  Very interesting indeed!


Andrew

[adt70hk]

Good evening all

So I have managed to finish the tracks using the following process:

• Touch up the wheels in yellow or green to cover the worst of the overspray.

• Paint the the relevant parts of the road wheels steel where the paint is worn off.  You can see this best on the front road wheels but you can just pick out where I did it in between the track teeth too.

• Paint the tracks.  I experimented with a method someone on the other forum I am on uses.  Basically mix black, dark grey, mid-dark brown and steel to your taste.  This leaves you with a nice darkish grey that has a slight sheen, which is used a starting base.  I started with roughly equal proportions but need to play around a bit with it and would like slightly more sheen than I have, but it shows promise

• Paint the rubber on the outer road wheels.

• Finally, touch up where I got careless or slipped!!! 

They look ok from side on, if obviously very new but, at an angle, they clearly betray the limits of the one piece moulding technique used, as the outer wheels are far too thick......

BUT you have to remember that these are meant for wargaming....so I am not expecting these to be state of the art and perfect in every respect.  Plus I got two in a box for less than £16 brand new from China - £8 each, so I can't complain.  And they are clearly Jagdpanthers and no mistake!

As I said to Dupes above, it wasn't that hard in the end and in an odd way strangely theraputic......no faffing with an AB, booth, masks and the all the associate faff....just a couple of brushes and some paint in my steel paint palette.

ACW as usual.

Andrew


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[Joe Rix]

Quite remarkable painting Andrew. Yor one piece turned out fantastic.

[reserve]

Nice work sir

I recall reading somewhere that the Panther with steel wheels was a rare beast; not many saw line service

[adt70hk]

Nov 3, 2023 20:14:34 GMT -5 Joe Rix said:

Quite remarkable painting Andrew. Yor one piece turned out fantastic.

Nov 3, 2023 20:46:19 GMT -5 reserve said:

Nice work sir

I recall reading somewhere that the Panther with steel wheels was a rare beast; not many saw line service

Thank you gents!  Very much appreciated.

Andrew

[406 Silverado]

Those tracks DO look good Andrew!! I really enjoy these small scale armor subjects like this. dukemaddog would LOVE this!!

Thank you for providing the step by step methods involved.

[adt70hk]

Nov 4, 2023 13:59:44 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

Those tracks DO look good Andrew!! I really enjoy these small scale armor subjects like this. dukemaddog would LOVE this!!

Thank you for providing the step by step methods involved.

Thanks Joe and you're welcome!

I'm going to leave painting the tools and other stuff for Club night on Tuesday!

[dukemaddog]

Silverado Joe, I do! I may not have commented much, but this has been a thrill to watch.

Andrew, brilliant work on the tracks and wheels. I do the same thing on mine. These are coming along exceptionally well!