Mr Versatile's FW190 A-8 Eduard **FINISHED**

[mrversatile]

This is my thread for the group build. I plan to do the scheme below:

[handiabled]

Bookmarked!

[deafpanzer]

Building exactly same kit so I will be following you closely. I won’t start mine for a month or two. 🤣

[hasenpfeffer]

Nice! I like the scheme you chose too, there's a lot going on. I am a little confused that they have JG300 defense bands as solid red though... I thought they were blue/white/blue. Do you know the story behind this? Maybe a transferred aircraft?

[406 Silverado]

This is going to be superb Gil and I can't wait to see you work your magic on one of these.


hasenpfeffer : Late war liberties maybe? Towards the end of the war those guys did pretty much whatever they wanted to the aircraft depending on the resources they had. 

[thug626]

Deal me in!

[adt70hk]

Cool!

[mrversatile]

Thanks for checking in gentlemen.

Hosenpfeffer, I think you are correct. I remember reading the caption next to the painting scheme which mentioned the change. I will be sure to let you know what it said exactly when I get back to it.

[TJ]

Must watch this.....Must

[kyledehart5]

Great!! Looking forward to following this one.

[Joe Rix]

Awesome choice of kit and scheme Gil. You've got me tagging along.

[Tobi]

Hosenpfeffer...



Sorry, out of topic, but that typo is just hilarious and gave me a good laugh. 

[hasenpfeffer]

Jan 11, 2024 0:40:43 GMT -5 Tobi said:

Hosenpfeffer...



Sorry, out of topic, but that typo is just hilarious and gave me a good laugh. 

LOL. My last name is Haas. So this doesn't bother me nearly as much as people spelling it or pronouncing it "Hass". But I understand why people get it wrong.

Would make for an interesting and probably not too palatable dish though...

[Tobi]

Jan 11, 2024 7:57:49 GMT -5 hasenpfeffer said:

Jan 11, 2024 0:40:43 GMT -5 Tobi said:

Hosenpfeffer...



Sorry, out of topic, but that typo is just hilarious and gave me a good laugh. 

LOL. My last name is Haas. So this doesn't bother me nearly as much as people spelling it or pronouncing it "Hass". But I understand why people get it wrong.

Would make for an interesting and probably not too palatable dish though...

Just make Hasenpfeffer spicy enough, then Hosenpfeffer may be the result... 
You already know there is also a herbal liquor brand of the same name?

[Tojo72]

It should be nice,the red band,and the spinner will make it pop

[hasenpfeffer]

Jan 11, 2024 8:58:16 GMT -5 Tobi said:

Jan 11, 2024 7:57:49 GMT -5 hasenpfeffer said:

LOL. My last name is Haas. So this doesn't bother me nearly as much as people spelling it or pronouncing it "Hass". But I understand why people get it wrong.

Would make for an interesting and probably not too palatable dish though...

Just make Hasenpfeffer spicy enough, then Hosenpfeffer may be the result... 
You already know there is also a herbal liquor brand of the same name?

LOL! Oh boy... that is NOT a good image. (Still crackin' up over it though. That was a good one!)

And no, I am/was unaware of a liquor with said name. Time to Google.

[mrversatile]

So Haas, the caption for the scheme states that because there are no pics of the rear of the aircraft, it is undetermined whether the Blue and White ID stripe replaced the Red by 1944. I guess any would be correct until proven otherwise

[hasenpfeffer]

Jan 11, 2024 11:01:00 GMT -5 mrversatile said:

So Haas, the caption for the scheme states that because there are no pics of the rear of the aircraft, it is undetermined whether the Blue and White ID stripe replaced the Red by 1944. I guess any would be correct until proven otherwise

Cool, thanks for the reply. I am still guessing it was transferred to make up for losses (from JG1). But that is just it, a guess.

And LOL. I didn't think much of your post of my username since I am American. Growing up I was called Hoss from time to time as both a nickname and because it is somewhat close (sounding) to my real name. Tobi is from Germany, and changing that 1 letter makes a world of difference in meaning - and his jokes that follow.

[406 Silverado]

Jan 11, 2024 11:01:00 GMT -5 mrversatile said:

So Haas, the caption for the scheme states that because there are no pics of the rear of the aircraft, it is undetermined whether the Blue and White ID stripe replaced the Red by 1944. I guess any would be correct until proven otherwise

  Late war schemes and color usage was all over the map for these aircraft. There are some rough facts and info that are out there but it was pretty much anything goes in regard to colors Gil. Your instincts based off of your research is gonna be good bud.

[hasenpfeffer]

There are several depictions of JG300 aircraft having solid red bands (like JG1). I am not sure why that is, but that is what piqued my interest. I am not telling Gil what to use in the slightest. It seems like he could go either way since he (Gil) said the photos are lacking for evidence late 1944 for this aircraft. The solid red looks cool though with the white outlined, blue numbers. Going with the official blue/white/blue would probably make it look too "monochrome" color-wise anyway, IMO.

[406 Silverado]

Jan 12, 2024 16:20:18 GMT -5 hasenpfeffer said:

There are several depictions of JG300 aircraft having solid red bands (like JG1). I am not sure why that is, but that is what piqued my interest. I am not telling Gil what to use in the slightest. It seems like he could go either way since he (Gil) said the photos are lacking for evidence late 1944 for this aircraft. The solid red looks cool though with the white outlined, blue numbers. Going with the official blue/white/blue would probably make it look too "monochrome" color-wise anyway, IMO.

  I hear what you're saying for sure Dave and I apologize if I made it sound like you were telling him what to use as that's just not my way. I guess what I was trying to bring to light was the fact that these late war schemes are anybody's guess sometimes because of all the field mods to existing paint jobs.

[hasenpfeffer]

Jan 20, 2024 8:18:56 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

Jan 12, 2024 16:20:18 GMT -5 hasenpfeffer said:

There are several depictions of JG300 aircraft having solid red bands (like JG1). I am not sure why that is, but that is what piqued my interest. I am not telling Gil what to use in the slightest. It seems like he could go either way since he (Gil) said the photos are lacking for evidence late 1944 for this aircraft. The solid red looks cool though with the white outlined, blue numbers. Going with the official blue/white/blue would probably make it look too "monochrome" color-wise anyway, IMO.

  I hear what you're saying for sure Dave and I apologize if I made it sound like you were telling him what to use as that's just not my way. I guess what I was trying to bring to light was the fact that these late war schemes are anybody's guess sometimes because of all the field mods to existing paint jobs.

It's all good, Joe. I never thought that. There is always a lot of context that can be lost through text alone. LOL - and I know that I am not the best at structuring my sentences and thoughts for clarity.
Bottom line is that I was curious since I built a JG300 bird (Black 12) that used the blue/white/blue and I knew that unofficially the Luftwaffe started using the Defense Bands for identification in 1944, with it becoming somewhat more official in 1945. But like you said, even then you can pretty much paint how you like since there are often not good enough photos for the ones that we do try to make historically accurate, among so many other factors. It could be as simple as JG300 used red bands before any official orders in 1945. I really just don't know.

[jeaton01]

Most of the WW II pilots would have to have had the eyes of eagles for a small area of color to make any difference whatever, especially given the usual flash by of another aircraft in combat. I suppose it might have helped ground troops or in rejoining your formation if the airplane was at any distance you really can't see that kind of detail. I think it was all wishing and hoping and something thought up far away from the seat of an airplane. Think of the 190D's defending 262 airfields. That scheme probably worked since the whole bottom of the airplane was red with white stripes.

[mrversatile]

Well I got this project started while I try to get my mojo going for it. I am nearly finished with the cockpit and plan to make this an OOB build considering that it is a "profipack" kit which includes everything you need for a pretty accurate depiction.

[kyledehart5]

Great start!! That pit is looking excellent.

[handiabled]

it looks like the profipack office builds up really nicely!

[thug626]

I like what you've done with the "office"

[lyle]

Feb 1, 2024 12:00:55 GMT -5 thug626 said:

I like what you've done with the "office"

Ditto!

[406 Silverado]

Jan 31, 2024 21:32:53 GMT -5 mrversatile said:

Well I got this project started while I try to get my mojo going for it. I am nearly finished with the cockpit and plan to make this an OOB build considering that it is a "profipack" kit which includes everything you need for a pretty accurate depiction.

  That is indeed a great start on this one Gil. These Eduard pits really build up quite nicely with all of the details that they provide in these Profipack kits. Off to a terrific start on this one and am very much looking forward to the next update buddy. 

[mrversatile]

Well, I have made some progress on my entry and it has been frustrating at best. Quite frankly, I expected more from Eduard. So far I have found alot of flash and mold lines on every side of every part and the fit has been a chore to achieve. Although alot of detail is provided, it seems that closing the panels to cover some of this detail requires trimming and filing to make the panels fit. Additionally, the kit is way over engineered and very fiddly to build which relies on the preciseness of each step to prevent fit issues later. This is where I am at but I am ready for a Tamiya type build after this. That being said, I am anticipating a difficult fit of the cowling over this engine, which will not be seen without doing some surgery and scratchbuilding a scale pane door.