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Post by kyledehart5 on Mar 5, 2024 12:28:48 GMT -5
Alright. What’s everyone’s favorite US Army olive drab for a Jeep from 1944. I have Tamiya XF62 in my stash and nothing else. 😂😂😂
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Post by tcoat on Mar 5, 2024 12:36:27 GMT -5
Alright. What’s everyone’s favorite US Army olive drab for a Jeep from 1944. I have Tamiya XF62 in my stash and nothing else. 😂😂😂 There are about 40 active people right now do you really want 40 different answers? XF62 is what I use for most applications but I also have at least 5 other makes named "Olive Drab" that I use for variation on equipment since shovels/other tools, jerry cans, tarps, packs, etc would not all be the same colour as the vehicle. The differences are vast. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Mar 5, 2024 12:42:50 GMT -5
Alright. What’s everyone’s favorite US Army olive drab for a Jeep from 1944. I have Tamiya XF62 in my stash and nothing else. 😂😂😂 There are about 40 active people right now do you really want 40 different answers? XF62 is what I use for most applications but I also have at least 5 other makes named "Olive Drab" that I use for variation on equipment since shovels/other tools, jerry cans, tarps, packs, etc would not all be the same colour as the vehicle. The differences are vast. I know. That’s what I’ve noticed in my search through photos of jeeps. 🤦🏻♂️ The 40 different answers would all be correct. I MAY have an old square jar of testors OD in a drawer somewhere so possibly I could have two shades. lol. I suppose I can spray the XF62 and just mix different variations for the stowage and whatnot. Appreciate the input. |
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Post by Medicman71 on Mar 5, 2024 12:54:31 GMT -5
I have the Jeep and a Stryker. That's the extent of my armor.
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Post by tcoat on Mar 5, 2024 13:36:09 GMT -5
There are about 40 active people right now do you really want 40 different answers? XF62 is what I use for most applications but I also have at least 5 other makes named "Olive Drab" that I use for variation on equipment since shovels/other tools, jerry cans, tarps, packs, etc would not all be the same colour as the vehicle. The differences are vast. I know. That’s what I’ve noticed in my search through photos of jeeps. 🤦🏻♂️ The 40 different answers would all be correct. I MAY have an old square jar of testors OD in a drawer somewhere so possibly I could have two shades. lol. I suppose I can spray the XF62 and just mix different variations for the stowage and whatnot. Appreciate the input. I got into a huge debate on this on another forum. The guy was convinced that Jeeps (all vehicles actually) rolled off the assembly line fully loaded with all equipment painted the same factory colour and ready to roll. Reality was that in order to put equipment into crates to fit as much as possible into ships the vehicles were more like 1/1 scale model kits. Final assembly and equipping was all done at port or a depot . Wartime  Modern recreation  Tanks of course were too big to crate but notice there is zero equipment mounted and openings are all sealed to prevent spray from entering as they were often deck cargo on the ships. On a side note having all these tanks up high meant a torpedoed merchant would flip over and go down FAST!  Even aircraft that did not have the range or were being shipped in volume were pulled apart and sealed up.  So when somebody says "everything is the same colour" they are mistaken. Now of course field applied paint is a different matter but nobody has ever been able to show me a picture of a Jeep with the outline of a shovel painted on the side! |
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Post by tcoat on Mar 5, 2024 14:03:49 GMT -5
Group build?  |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Mar 5, 2024 14:06:45 GMT -5
I know. That’s what I’ve noticed in my search through photos of jeeps. 🤦🏻♂️ The 40 different answers would all be correct. I MAY have an old square jar of testors OD in a drawer somewhere so possibly I could have two shades. lol. I suppose I can spray the XF62 and just mix different variations for the stowage and whatnot. Appreciate the input. I got into a huge debate on this on another forum. The guy was convinced that Jeeps (all vehicles actually) rolled off the assembly line fully loaded with all equipment painted the same factory colour and ready to roll. Reality was that in order to put equipment into crates to fit as much as possible into ships the vehicles were more like 1/1 scale model kits. Final assembly and equipping was all done at port or a depot . Wartime Modern recreation Tanks of course were too big to crate but notice there is zero equipment mounted and openings are all sealed to prevent spray from entering as they were often deck cargo on the ships. On a side note having all these tanks up high meant a torpedoed merchant would flip over and go down FAST! Even aircraft that did not have the range or were being shipped in volume were pulled apart and sealed up. So when somebody says "everything is the same colour" they are mistaken. Now of course field applied paint is a different matter but nobody has ever been able to show me a picture of a Jeep with the outline of a shovel painted on the side! good stuff. I’ve always thought the pics of crated up jeeps and sealed up fighters were super cool. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Mar 5, 2024 14:07:48 GMT -5
Group build? Lol!! Clearly they’ve all just unboxed their Italeri Jeeps and are getting them ready for primer. |
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Post by tcoat on Mar 5, 2024 14:16:28 GMT -5
Lol!! Clearly they’ve all just unboxed their Italeri Jeeps and are getting them ready for primer. Must have been a bad mold though since they all seem to have only 3 wheels each. |
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Post by Steve Zuleski on Mar 5, 2024 14:57:28 GMT -5
Now that would be a great gift to open. Howz come our wives never thoughta that?
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Post by tcoat on Mar 5, 2024 15:02:39 GMT -5
Now that would be a great gift to open. Howz come our wives never thoughta that?  |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Mar 5, 2024 15:10:24 GMT -5
Now that would be a great gift to open. Howz come our wives never thoughta that? well the jeeps are a ripoff. I can get an airplane for even cheaper!! 😂 |
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Post by tcoat on Mar 5, 2024 16:03:28 GMT -5
well the jeeps are a ripoff. I can get an airplane for even cheaper!! 😂 I am curious what they wanted for the early 1800's ships cannon. Was there a warehouse full of War of 1812 surplus someplace? Is the USS Constitution short a few cannon? |
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Post by keavdog on Mar 5, 2024 16:11:10 GMT -5
My buddy and I bought a pair of field phones from the surplus stores when we were kids. Neighbor worked for the telephone company and had boxes of telco wire of various lengths - none more than 10 feet. One summer we soldered enough segments to get from my bedroom to his - he was about 8 houses down the street. Fun summer, you had to crank the ringer - 'ring ring', 'hey what are you doing...' lol. Ran on D batteries  We also spent a summer painting his dads house for which we got a total of $60.00 - back to the surplus store and we bought a raft. Always liked going to those places. |
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Post by stikpusher on Mar 5, 2024 17:29:36 GMT -5
I got into a huge debate on this on another forum. The guy was convinced that Jeeps (all vehicles actually) rolled off the assembly line fully loaded with all equipment painted the same factory colour and ready to roll. Reality was that in order to put equipment into crates to fit as much as possible into ships the vehicles were more like 1/1 scale model kits. Final assembly and equipping was all done at port or a depot Tanks of course were too big to crate but notice there is zero equipment mounted and openings are all sealed to prevent spray from entering as they were often deck cargo on the ships. On a side note having all these tanks up high meant a torpedoed merchant would flip over and go down FAST! So when somebody says "everything is the same colour" they are mistaken. Now of course field applied paint is a different matter but nobody has ever been able to show me a picture of a Jeep with the outline of a shovel painted on the side! True enough for equipment made in North America or Great Britain, as the battle fronts were at least an ocean journey away. German and Russian stuff could be rail headed from the factory to the combat zone so would be prepared and shipped in a different manner. No need to crate up more than the accessory items and send them with the primary item. From what I've seen of shipping tanks across the oceans, they were usually kept in the cargo holds and not on the main deck of the cargo ships, just for that balance reason. Not to mention as a bit more protection from the elements of a sea voyage. I guess that your debate opponent forgot that many items came from sub contractors who may or may not have had the same paints on hand for painting those items such as pioneer tools, etc. Some may look the same as those coming from a hardware store with clear varnished wooden handles and black painted metal areas. |
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Post by tcoat on Mar 5, 2024 18:41:11 GMT -5
I got into a huge debate on this on another forum. The guy was convinced that Jeeps (all vehicles actually) rolled off the assembly line fully loaded with all equipment painted the same factory colour and ready to roll. Reality was that in order to put equipment into crates to fit as much as possible into ships the vehicles were more like 1/1 scale model kits. Final assembly and equipping was all done at port or a depot Tanks of course were too big to crate but notice there is zero equipment mounted and openings are all sealed to prevent spray from entering as they were often deck cargo on the ships. On a side note having all these tanks up high meant a torpedoed merchant would flip over and go down FAST! So when somebody says "everything is the same colour" they are mistaken. Now of course field applied paint is a different matter but nobody has ever been able to show me a picture of a Jeep with the outline of a shovel painted on the side! True enough for equipment made in North America or Great Britain, as the battle fronts were at least an ocean journey away. German and Russian stuff could be rail headed from the factory to the combat zone so would be prepared and shipped in a different manner. No need to crate up more than the accessory items and send them with the primary item. From what I've seen of shipping tanks across the oceans, they were usually kept in the cargo holds and not on the main deck of the cargo ships, just for that balance reason. Not to mention as a bit more protection from the elements of a sea voyage. I guess that your debate opponent forgot that many items came from sub contractors who may or may not have had the same paints on hand for painting those items such as pioneer tools, etc. Some may look the same as those coming from a hardware store with clear varnished wooden handles and black painted metal areas. Yep. I was specifically referring to US equipment. The Soviet Union (not "Russia") was sending tanks into battle with wet paint and their picking up and moving whole plants and back into production within days is one of the most amazing feats ever. Early in the war, up to late 1940 when equipment was being built in Canada and Lend Lease started from the US it was primarily Commonwealth merchant vessels making the run. None of these ships were ever designed or built to haul the loads they were asked to do. Many could not accommodate tanks or trucks in the hold so they were loaded on the decks and protected from the weather as best as possible. The Battle of the Atlantic wasn't going so well yet and many many of those ships never made it meaning the British had to rely on ships that were even LESS capable. Once the US joined the party they started pumping out the Liberty and even larger Victory ships that were designed for military cargo they could get far more armour below decks. This of course meant that they were better balanced so they decided to shove tanks on the deck as well. More than one Liberty ship just sort of broke up and sank because they were overloaded but since most made it it was worth the risk. The Jeremiah O'Brian in San Francisco has many good pictures of tanks, trucks and aircraft as deck cargo. So did they pack the hulls with stuff later in the war? Sure. Did they put them on deck when they could? You bet they did. The paint is always fun. Nowadays people think they just received buckets of paint of a consistent formula and colour already mixed up and ready to go. It wasn't. The factories both large and small were given instructions of how much of each pigment to add to the enamel base and it was up to them to mix it. Since this mixing was more than often done by unskilled labour under less than laboratory conditions the actual result could vary dramatically. |
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Post by keavdog on Mar 5, 2024 19:20:25 GMT -5
Not to mention 6 months in the field would change the color...
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Post by stikpusher on Mar 5, 2024 19:40:57 GMT -5
Not to mention 6 months in the field would change the color... Most equipment didn't last that long in combat. At least not tanks. But much of it did sit in open air depots in England or later France, for months or even over a year, awaiting issue to line units as replacements. And yes, I should have typed Soviet Union, instead of Russia, but Russia was quicker and easier to spell out. Not to mention that the Germans often referred to the east as the Russian Front. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Mar 5, 2024 21:31:32 GMT -5
I’m building mine just as it rolled across the beaches and up to scoop up the first injuries of the invasion. So fresh off sitting in England awaiting the invasion with some dirtying up from driving up and down the line
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Post by tcoat on Mar 6, 2024 7:42:42 GMT -5
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Post by kyledehart5 on Mar 6, 2024 8:47:36 GMT -5
Funnily enough I just read this article last night. The sand color on the actual beaches is a nice touch. Definitely some great photos. I thought the driving experience was pretty cool to read about as well. |
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Post by tcoat on Mar 6, 2024 9:26:15 GMT -5
Funnily enough I just read this article last night. The sand color on the actual beaches is a nice touch. Definitely some great photos. I thought the driving experience was pretty cool to read about as well. I have had that one bookmarked for a couple of years. I have a bunch of old Airfix 1/76 landing craft and armour kits that I want to do in a Normandy landing diorama at some point and found that article while researching. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Mar 6, 2024 9:31:35 GMT -5
Funnily enough I just read this article last night. The sand color on the actual beaches is a nice touch. Definitely some great photos. I thought the driving experience was pretty cool to read about as well. I have had that one bookmarked for a couple of years. I have a bunch of old Airfix 1/76 landing craft and armour kits that I want to do in a Normandy landing diorama at some point and found that article while researching. Love this idea. Those old Airfix kits are super cool and I’d love to do the same sometime. |
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Post by dupes on Mar 6, 2024 10:11:26 GMT -5
Alright. What’s everyone’s favorite US Army olive drab for a Jeep from 1944. I have Tamiya XF62 in my stash and nothing else. 😂😂😂 I like XF-62, but I tend to lighten it a bit for most uses (especially if you're going to be putting a future coat on it at any point, which will make it even darker). I can take a pic of my spoons with various percentages of paint if you're interested. |
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Post by sharp on Mar 6, 2024 11:33:11 GMT -5
Cool project! Looks like a well detailed kit.
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Post by vw8243 on Mar 6, 2024 11:54:39 GMT -5
Hi kyledehart5 Those Ital jeeps are a nice kit I pick them up when ever i come across them cheep, as with the color i would go with Dupes on this one , I used to go to war and peace show nearly every year an the variation in jeep colors was unreal. Even in the pic that tcoat put up of the jeep in the crate :modern: the color looks different from the back end to the door well in comparison to the color over the front wheel arch, then on the bonnet in front of the rope you get the same color as the back end , I know light has a lot to do with that .   |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Mar 6, 2024 12:18:58 GMT -5
Alright. What’s everyone’s favorite US Army olive drab for a Jeep from 1944. I have Tamiya XF62 in my stash and nothing else. 😂😂😂 I like XF-62, but I tend to lighten it a bit for most uses (especially if you're going to be putting a future coat on it at any point, which will make it even darker). I can take a pic of my spoons with various percentages of paint if you're interested. Thank you! I’d appreciate that if you wouldn’t mind. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Mar 6, 2024 12:19:46 GMT -5
Cool project! Looks like a well detailed kit. It is a fun and detailed little kit. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Mar 6, 2024 12:20:40 GMT -5
Hi kyledehart5 Those Ital jeeps are a nice kit I pick them up when ever i come across them cheep, as with the color i would go with Dupes on this one , I used to go to war and peace show nearly every year an the variation in jeep colors was unreal. Even in the pic that tcoat put up of the jeep in the crate :modern: the color looks different from the back end to the door well in comparison to the color over the front wheel arch, then on the bonnet in front of the rope you get the same color as the back end , I know light has a lot to do with that . I figured there wasn’t really a right answer but wanted to get some opinions! I’ll definitely do different colors on the different parts and pieces that attach. |
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Post by dupes on Mar 6, 2024 13:38:15 GMT -5
Hopefully this comes through alright. Always tricky dealing with white balance/etc. No editing done. Top is both of the Tamiya rattlecan options, middle is straight acrylic OD, then with 20% XF-57 Buff mixed in, then 25% buff. I swear I had a 33% spoon (2:1 ratio), but I can't find it. I haven't had time to fire LP-28 onto a spoon yet for comparison.  |
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