Somebody shot Trump

[keavdog]

What a mess. Endless assault against this guy. Love him or hate him, this is not American and is fundamentally wrong based on every measure.

[stikpusher]

Yup. Trump is quite lucky in that he was only hit thru his ear. Shooter dead by Secret Service, one bystander dead, and two bystanders critical condition.

[406 Silverado]

Jul 13, 2024 20:49:31 GMT -5 keavdog said:

What a mess. Endless assault against this guy. Love him or hate him, this is not American and is fundamentally wrong based on every measure.

 I saw that and it is indeed a mess.   Hitting him in the ear it's pretty obvious that it was aimed at his head. wow.   I've got an opinion on this but I'm not going to get into it here. 

We're going to have to watch this thread pretty closely to make sure things don't get out of hand. 

[stikpusher]

Jul 13, 2024 21:06:57 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

Jul 13, 2024 20:49:31 GMT -5 keavdog said:

What a mess. Endless assault against this guy. Love him or hate him, this is not American and is fundamentally wrong based on every measure.

 I saw that and it is indeed a mess.   Hitting him in the ear it's pretty obvious that it was aimed at his head. wow.   I've got an opinion on this but I'm not going to get into it here. 

We're going to have to watch this thread pretty closely to make sure things don't get out of hand. 

Exactly. Keeping the politics out of it. From strictly a trained rifleman’s perspective, the shooter was aiming at his head and for whatever reason was just a tad bit off. An inch or two more to the side and it goes from a hole in the ear cartilage to a fatal head shot. I’ve seen footage on Reddit of the dead shooter and it looks like he was prone on a nearby structure roof, so had a very stable shooting platform. 

[keavdog]

understand the potential volatility here Joe but this is history unfolding in front of our eyes.

[406 Silverado]

Jul 13, 2024 21:13:54 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

Jul 13, 2024 21:06:57 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

 I saw that and it is indeed a mess.   Hitting him in the ear it's pretty obvious that it was aimed at his head. wow.   I've got an opinion on this but I'm not going to get into it here. 

We're going to have to watch this thread pretty closely to make sure things don't get out of hand. 

Exactly. Keeping the politics out of it. From strictly a trained rifleman’s perspective, the shooter was aiming at his head and for whatever reason was just a tad bit off. An inch or two more to the side and it goes from a hole in the ear cartilage to a fatal head shot. I’ve seen footage on Reddit of the dead shooter and it looks like he was prone on a nearby structure roof, so had a very stable shooting platform. 

  Good grief. This is just crazy.

[406 Silverado]

Jul 13, 2024 21:15:12 GMT -5 keavdog said:

understand the potential volatility here Joe but this is history unfolding in front of our eyes.

 Oh yeah there's no doubt about that for sure. I do agree with you on the history unfolding and am behind what you're saying 100% but at the same time will be watchful. 

[moramartht]

They shot Trump

Only a little bit...  Seems to have been nicked by one of the first group of three shots, I don't know whether the second group of four was the shooter or the counter-sniper who offed the perp.  Saddened by the innocent casualties in the crowd. 
Regards,

M 

[Tojo72]

I think it's amazing that no one behind the podium hit the ground right away,or even right after,didn't seem to be any panic or trying to leave,usually it's chaos,I would have been on the ground !!!

[stikpusher]

The raw footage showed quite a bit of screaming and some panic. But the threat part of the incident was over in seconds… chaos set in after it was already over.

[chromdome35]

The downstream response to this is really going to be dependant on the agenda of the shooter. There are reports now that it was a 20 yo guy from PA. On Twitter, there are pictures of the shooter.

[Steve Zuleski]

Looks like he was on a conex, said to be outside the perimeter.

[chromdome35]

Jul 13, 2024 22:51:03 GMT -5 Steve Zuleski said:

Looks like he was on a conex, said to be outside the perimeter.

He was on the roof of a building about 125M from the stage that Trump was on.

[Steve Zuleski]

Jul 13, 2024 22:56:16 GMT -5 chromdome35 said:

Jul 13, 2024 22:51:03 GMT -5 Steve Zuleski said:

Looks like he was on a conex, said to be outside the perimeter.

He was on the roof of a building about 125M from the stage that Trump was on.

Ya, my bad, saw a very narrow clip that made it look like a conex. A bit close I'd say. The recently released photos showing proximity don't bode well for the Secret Service. This is not good.

[chromdome35]

Jul 13, 2024 22:58:36 GMT -5 Steve Zuleski said:

Jul 13, 2024 22:56:16 GMT -5 chromdome35 said:

He was on the roof of a building about 125M from the stage that Trump was on.

Ya, my bad, saw a very narrow clip that made it look like a conex. A bit close I'd say. The recently released photos showing proximity don't bode well for the Secret Service. This is not good.

A massive screwup by the SS. I'm sure some heads will roll over that.

[keavdog]

That was my thought. How did they let this happen.

[kyledehart5]

Agreed. Sad for the victims and no doubt the SS dropped the ball on something here to allow the guy to get that close.

[handiabled]

I agree with Carlos and Joe, while this is an historic event unfolding before us, politics have a way of spinning out of hand quickly

[adt70hk]

Very sad indeed for the victims.

[garybrantley]

Any assassination or attempted one is an afront to our democracy. It is an attempt by one or a few to change our nation's history or direction, or to negate the choice of millions of citizens.  No matter who the target is, it is an act that richly deserves condemnation.  Still, we must learn that words do mean something, and careless rhetoric can produce awful consequences.  All politicians, regardless of their stripe, should remember that when one sows the wind, they may well reap the whirlwind. 😐

[buddho]

I believe it's very difficult to secure an open area like these rallies, especially if the shooter was 100 yards away. I am sure they are going to have to rethink these open area assemblies. Prayers to families of those injured and killed.

[armornutii]

Jul 14, 2024 8:29:35 GMT -5 garybrantley said:

Any assassination or attempted one is an afront to our democracy. It is an attempt by one or a few to change our nation's history or direction, or to negate the choice of millions of citizens.  No matter who the target is, it is an act that richly deserves condemnation.  Still, we must learn that words do mean something, and careless rhetoric can produce awful consequences.  All politicians, regardless of their stripe, should remember that when one sows the wind, they may well reap the whirlwind. 😐

  Well said Gary, once words are spoken they take on a different power. My prayers go out to the victims of this hanous crime. I for one would really appreciate a few quiet years of history, in the words of Agent K...." one of a hundred memories I don't want". It might get me banned but God help us...all of us.

[stikpusher]

Jul 14, 2024 9:40:19 GMT -5 buddho said:

I believe it's very difficult to secure an open area like these rallies, especially if the shooter was 100 yards away. I am sure they are going to have to rethink these open area assemblies. Prayers to families of those injured and killed.

No, there was certainly a security breakdown in planning. To have a raised platform with line of sight to the podium under 300 yards away, let alone under 200 yards, be outside of the security perimeter is extremely poor security planning. For an untrained 20 year old kid (he's not a veteran, so has no formal professional sniper training) to be able to exploit that lack of security is pathetic. Not to mention that aside from the counter sniper team who responded in a top notch manner by locating and neutralizing the shooter within seconds, the up close detail was not top notch. They let Trump be too exposed as they got him off the stage and took an awful long time getting him into the protective vehicle. Compare it to the Reagan shooting in 1981 to see what I mean. 
My condolences to the dead and wounded, and wishes for a speedy and complete recovery to the wounded.

[moparman18064]

This, indeed is a very sad day in our country. My sincere condolences go out to the families of the victims. Our country needs to come together again. Over the last decade or so, division has become more mainstream. Being a veteran myself and having family members die fighting for this country, I am deeply saddened by the anger in our communities. People get too consumed by political rhetoric. I truly hope that the temperature of the population cools down. I come to this board to escape the outer world. I really hope we don’t have to have threads like this again.

[chromdome35]

Maps of the area

40°51'28.19"N 79°58'12.19"W

[chromdome35]

Gang,

We will allow this thread as long as it remains nonpolitical, meaning no "My side is better than your side" or commentary on the political stances of either party.

The second there is even a hint of politics in this thread; we will delete it.

Keep the commentary centered on the event and not politics.

[Real G]

*** politics edited out***

this is not the American Way.

[vw8243]

A bit of sound advice my father used to give my Brothers and I when ever traveling anywhere ,No talk about politics or religion ,stood us good, you could probably add sport and a few others to that today ?

[stikpusher]

The shooting diagram presents a very interesting scenario for critique regarding capabilities and training.

[BattleScale Collectica Show]

Jul 14, 2024 13:34:40 GMT -5 stikpusher said:

The shooting diagram presents a very interesting scenario for critique regarding capabilities and training.

I'm sure after FEDS investigate, we'll hear "Mistakes few made" and nothing much else.

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