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Post by Steve Zuleski on Jul 20, 2024 9:12:12 GMT -5
There are some great vids analyzing this whole situation by some top SF snipers, the top Canadian sniper, and few others, who lived this stuff, and know above all others, what actually transpired from the "evidence available." This is really not looking good for the SS or even the local LEOs, the governor, DHS, FBI, staties, etc. It's deep, it's wide, and it's not good at all. Keeping a level head on this one, as we all have been, is key to decent dialog and understanding. Those that are thinking this was staged? Well, they're in every crowd, so expect them I recon, and carry on. They're not worth the breath to bother with. Facts will always be just that, regardless of what someone thinks.
More is coming out on this, so the picture will become clearer as time goes along. We can only hope so.
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Post by aaronw on Jul 20, 2024 11:09:03 GMT -5
I have to wonder if the building being left out of the footprint was budgetary in nature. From a purely security nature, I'd have thought LE would have wanted to post observers up there as well giving them a good vantage point from another angle.
If you are going to lock down a building the owner is going to have to be compensated, and that would come out of the campaigns funds, not the Secret Service or local LE budget. I could easily see a money person from the campaign pushing to keep the footprint as small as possible. I mean why pay for the use of a building "way over there". Anybody who has done any shooting knows "way over there" (100-150 yards) is pretty standard shooting distance for a hunter let alone somebody with more nefarious intent.
I used to have a range available with targets out to 550m / 600 yards. I could consistently make hits on a metal "hog" target at 600 yards with my tired, WW2 era Lee-Enfield and the closest I've had to formal rifle training was Boy Scout summer camp using .22 rifles.
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Post by eaglecash867 on Jul 20, 2024 11:10:34 GMT -5
More is coming out on this, so the picture will become clearer as time goes along. We can only hope so. Speaking of pictures. I think it would be a good thing for the media to run some of the pictures taken of the shooter by the FBI after it was over. I know they have to worry about "sensitive audience members", but those pictures would definitely disspell the "glorious death" fantasies that the next nut might be having about doing something similar to somebody else. Who knows...it might make them change their mind and move on with life if they saw what it really looks like.
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Post by Steve Zuleski on Jul 20, 2024 12:33:04 GMT -5
Good point, kinda goes along with "public shaming." That used to be a deterrent, way back when.
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Post by garybrantley on Jul 20, 2024 13:12:03 GMT -5
Good point, kinda goes along with "public shaming." That used to be a deterrent, way back when. Steve, I'm not so sure that that was such a good idea, even way back when. 🤔
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Post by Steve Zuleski on Jul 20, 2024 13:15:18 GMT -5
Good point, kinda goes along with "public shaming." That used to be a deterrent, way back when. Steve, I'm not so sure that that was such a good idea, even way back when. 🤔We can agree to disagree agreeably ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by garybrantley on Jul 20, 2024 13:44:06 GMT -5
Steve, I'm not so sure that that was such a good idea, even way back when. 🤔 We can agree to disagree agreeably ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Yes, of course. 🙂
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Post by stikpusher on Jul 20, 2024 14:07:54 GMT -5
Yeah, in that respect, the sound of gunfire can be a bit confusing to folks depending upon their previous exposure to such. The type of firearm, the caliber of the firearm, the distance and angle off from the muzzle all effect the sound of shots. Each has their own distinct signature. Even a M4 carbine compared to a M16 rifle, same family of the same basic weapon, sound different from one another. If a shooter is shooting towards his 12 o’clock as straight ahead, those at the 2, 4, and 6 o’clock positions, even at the same distance, will all hear the shot report differently.
Some of the initial press reports in the immediate aftermath of the event that I read were ludicrous… “possible BB gun shots”. Aside from some suppressed firearms, no BB gun will sound like any non suppressed firearm.
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Post by stikpusher on Jul 20, 2024 14:12:56 GMT -5
Good point, kinda goes along with "public shaming." That used to be a deterrent, way back when. Kind of like a severed head on a pike. Even the photos of the old gangster “public enemies” after their final showdowns with lawmen did serve that sort of purpose.
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Post by keavdog on Jul 20, 2024 14:36:06 GMT -5
No one did it better than Vlad Tepes 👀
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Post by keavdog on Jul 20, 2024 15:29:09 GMT -5
Loved that movie mostly for the background on Dracula. Awesome.
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Post by kyledehart5 on Jul 20, 2024 17:09:17 GMT -5
No one did it better than Vlad Tepes 👀 “Great neighbors make great fences” -Vlad Tepes, probabaly.
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Post by garybrantley on Jul 20, 2024 17:26:53 GMT -5
No one did it better than Vlad Tepes 👀 “ Great neighbors make great fences” -Vlad Tepes, probabaly. Kyle, I laughed out loud at that! 😁 What an image!?! 😄
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Post by dodgy on Jul 20, 2024 18:53:26 GMT -5
Loved that movie mostly for the background on Dracula. Awesome. My personal favourite is still the 1932 version with Bella Lugosi. Marvelous stuff with no CGI.
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Post by keavdog on Jul 20, 2024 19:35:56 GMT -5
Or go completely old school ![](https://www.peoplesworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/NosferatuScreenShot.jpg)
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Post by dodgy on Jul 20, 2024 19:57:17 GMT -5
Or go completely old school ![](https://www.peoplesworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/NosferatuScreenShot.jpg) Another classic!!
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Post by armornutii on Jul 20, 2024 20:58:22 GMT -5
More is coming out on this, so the picture will become clearer as time goes along. We can only hope so. Speaking of pictures. I think it would be a good thing for the media to run some of the pictures taken of the shooter by the FBI after it was over. I know they have to worry about "sensitive audience members", but those pictures would definitely disspell the "glorious death" fantasies that the next nut might be having about doing something similar to somebody else. Who knows...it might make them change their mind and move on with life if they saw what it really looks like. I'm really suprised that the only blurred the bad end, I figured a Barrett .50 would turn him inside out. Ballistics man ballistics.
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Post by project510 on Jul 21, 2024 20:07:37 GMT -5
Should have been more clear, I meant watching the video.. meaning the first few seconds. The gunshots didn't sound like real gunshots, he grabbed his ear, stood there long enough for me to think wait, is he joking? Where is secret service? Then he ducks. I by no means think it was some wacko political stunt. Sorry for the confusion. That's one of the common misconceptions going around about this incident. They sounded exactly like real gunshots would sound from that distance, and I would have been suspicious if he HAD immediately ducked, because that would have meant that he was expecting someone to be shooting. It wasn't until he saw the blood on his hand after reaching up to figure out "what the hell just hit my ear?!" and saw the attendees get hit that he realized what was happening and took cover. It happened fast, and if you're truly not expecting something so surreal to happen, it takes a few seconds to react to it. My brother, who was a Staff Sergeant with USMC 1/23 in Ramadi, Iraq in 2004 has echoed what Stik said about that distance being an easy kill and there would be no way in hell to guarantee the person on the receiving end that he would only have his ear grazed. I understand that you were just talking about your initial thoughts though...and that's what was happening with Trump...his reaction was very much a "What?!! No way this is happening right now!" reaction. The "staged" conspiracy theories have just gotten me spun up like Stik. Yes, agree 100% Like I said, should have been more clear. When you watch it more than once you see how it all plays out and then disbelief goes away and you can see it more clearly.
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Post by stikpusher on Jul 21, 2024 20:42:12 GMT -5
Speaking of pictures. I think it would be a good thing for the media to run some of the pictures taken of the shooter by the FBI after it was over. I know they have to worry about "sensitive audience members", but those pictures would definitely disspell the "glorious death" fantasies that the next nut might be having about doing something similar to somebody else. Who knows...it might make them change their mind and move on with life if they saw what it really looks like. I'm really suprised that the only blurred the bad end, I figured a Barrett .50 would turn him inside out. Ballistics man ballistics. I don't think that the counter sniper teams had .50s. Their rifles looked a bit lighter in build. ![](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwhyy.org%2Farticles%2Fdonald-trump-assassination-attempt-what-to-know%2F&psig=AOvVaw2Gj-EGs-68ws8Na2FkEUl3&ust=1721698655231000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CA8QjRxqFwoTCMC0vb_BuYcDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE) ![](https://cdn.ttweb.net/News/images/323766.jpg?preset=w800_q70) ![](https://www.nysun.com/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwp.nysun.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2024%2F07%2Fsniper.jpg&w=1200&q=75)
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Post by armornutii on Jul 21, 2024 20:57:58 GMT -5
I'm really suprised that the only blurred the bad end, I figured a Barrett .50 would turn him inside out. Ballistics man ballistics. I don't think that the counter sniper teams had .50s. Their rifles looked a bit lighter in build. ![](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwhyy.org%2Farticles%2Fdonald-trump-assassination-attempt-what-to-know%2F&psig=AOvVaw2Gj-EGs-68ws8Na2FkEUl3&ust=1721698655231000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CA8QjRxqFwoTCMC0vb_BuYcDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE) ![](https://cdn.ttweb.net/News/images/323766.jpg?preset=w800_q70) ![](https://www.nysun.com/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwp.nysun.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2024%2F07%2Fsniper.jpg&w=1200&q=75) They probably aren't I unfortunately quoted something I heard from an attendy close to the incident. More than likely those counter snipers are using .338 Laupus or .300Win Mags, lighter to move, less recoil comparitivly, and it looks like they can run a suppersor, that in itself might be difficult on a .50 given the pressures involved. That would also explain why the actor was right side out.
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Post by mz3 on Jul 23, 2024 9:45:47 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the "testimony" of the secret service director yesterday?
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Post by BattleScale Collectica Show on Jul 23, 2024 10:25:31 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the "testimony" of the secret service director yesterday? In my humble opinion, it was all theatre. I've worked and interacted with SS quite a few times. No one with a gun gets near a SS lock down. And footage proves they KNEW where the shooter was, and had a ladder ready for him. Behind the scenes it was pure criminal in nature. Right after the failed attempt, I told my wife Biden will be have to be removed from the ticket now since the attempt failed with Trump. Here we are.
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Post by Tojo72 on Jul 23, 2024 11:01:35 GMT -5
SS director has now resigned,no choice really after that fiasco
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Post by mz3 on Jul 23, 2024 13:57:01 GMT -5
I watched the entire thing, I honestly thought she was going to quit before the hearing was over. Her body language was pretty much F all this towards the end. The way she would answer questions, when she actually answered any, was madding.
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Post by Steve Zuleski on Jul 24, 2024 13:13:27 GMT -5
I don't think Doritos will be safe with her again either, HA!
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Post by castelnuovo on Jul 27, 2024 23:29:05 GMT -5
I find it somewhat ironic that the best Irish jokes are told by the Irish and the best aboriginal jokes are told by abos. As someone of Scottish and Irish descent, I definitely agree with that. One of my favorite, short Irish jokes: Two Irish guys walk out of a bar. What?! It could happen! Then there's the joke about McGregor the bridge builder, but I can't tell that one here. LOL. I think so much of the craziness comes from people taking themselves and everything WAY too seriously these days. We've gotta get back to laughing at ourselves again. ![chEAnY](https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/3885/chEAnY.gif) If you can't laugh at yourself you are missing out... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Tons of jokes about dumb Bosnians, procrastinating Dalmatians (that is me), lazy Montenegrins, chaotic Bulgarians etc...and we tell them ourselves and none of us will be offended if you tell them. Q: why montenegrin has a chair beside his bed? A: to have a rest when he wakes up
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