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Post by deafpanzer on Feb 24, 2013 18:41:40 GMT -5
Tracks look damn good! How do you like AK product to blacken ur Friuls? Did you use the entire bottle or what?
Everything still looks great even the camo too...
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 24, 2013 20:24:01 GMT -5
Ben,
You have to remember that the Elefant didn't have standard engines and drivetrains like you would see on other Panzers. The engines drove electric generators which then powered the sprockets at the rear. So that curved piece at the rear with the PE deflector is for the exhaust cooling air from the generators as well as the engine exhaust. No opportunity for sooting on this one as a result I'm afraid. HTH!
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Post by Hinksy on Feb 25, 2013 15:29:10 GMT -5
Ben, You have to remember that the Elefant didn't have standard engines and drivetrains like you would see on other Panzers. The engines drove electric generators which then powered the sprockets at the rear. So that curved piece at the rear with the PE deflector is for the exhaust cooling air from the generators as well as the engine exhaust. No opportunity for sooting on this one as a result I'm afraid. HTH! Thanks for that Bill, Wow! You think you are learning stuff then something new comes along! I had no idea this was the case but in all fairness I'm just starting to learn about these later war big beasts. Up until now my limited knowledge was restricted to early Panzers I, II, III's and IV's and StuGs of which I'm a big fan. I can see why they had big reliability issues in the field - this sort of technology sounds pretty advanced for the early/mid 1940's? Thanks again Bill, Ben
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 25, 2013 18:39:10 GMT -5
My pleasure Ben! The tech was too advanced for its time...it was an attempt to adapt technology that Dr. Porsche had worked on with cars and created an efficient power delivery method for very large vehicles but not exactly lightning speed...the off-road top capability of the Elefant was in the neighborhood of 10 km/h. Ironically the place where the technology had the most success was in submarine engines and design. Lots of German stuff was ahead of its time and created teething problems when put into the field...there's a reason the venerable Pz IV soldiered on until the war's end!
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Post by ceresvesta. on Feb 25, 2013 20:03:56 GMT -5
Hi Hinksy Once again: What a great build. Attention to detail is top notch and add to that a great finish. Personnaly I would go for the 6 link hooked in the rear, but I`m a very creative guy...most of the time, I prefer more lyrical build to exact replica... Anyhoo...Wow. Phil.
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Post by Hinksy on Feb 26, 2013 8:10:41 GMT -5
Hi guys, Bill - thanks for that informative post buddy. I've actually learnt something really useful here so I'm very grateful! Feel free to keep useful info coming! Bill Plunk = AFV Modellers Google!Phil - Thanks a lot buddy. You'll notice that halway through the blog when I started the painting it went a bit 'tits up' (I don't know if you Americans use this phrase but it basically means it went badly wrong)! I've got someleft over blackened Friuls AND the 12 Magic Tracks that came with the kit - the tracks are meant for the rear hanging spares and the spares that go up front on the flat armour under the Bow MG. I'm undecided on which links to use BUT I think I'll use the Magics to they can be painted up a proper black/grey link colour and given a light rusty wash. I have PE bolt head thingies that are designed to go on the front ones so it looks like they are fixed in place. I'll make them up and see which look better. The only problem is they Magics don't have the little hole in the guide horn but it's hardly noticeable. I'm very happy with her now so I'll be finishing off this weekend. I'm going to add another light misting of Vallejo Matt Varnish followed by AK's dark streaking grime around the engine deck sidewalls to replicate spilt fluids and some VERY light dry pigment work - then onto Godfather Dave for photos! If anyone fancies an Elefant build this is a great kit only let down by DS Tracks instead of Magic Tracks. It built up great and if I was a quick builder (I like to build slow anyway tbh) you could have this build done in a few good sessions. It took me two months worth of weekend building and an enjoyable build it was too. I quite fancy Dragons Premium Edition Ferdinand - that looks really nice in the green spider web/netting cammo. A few details left and job done! Onto the W/Wash Panzer IV(Kharkov LAH) now - this should be great! Cheers guys, Ben
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Post by armorguy on Feb 26, 2013 8:24:24 GMT -5
Ben you did a great job on this Elefant mate, the thing doesn't just weigh much, it also looks heavy ! I look forward to the final result ! Will you present this one on a base or will you make a diorama for it ? And also the Pz IV W/W will catch my attention.
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Post by Hinksy on Feb 26, 2013 9:21:16 GMT -5
Ben you did a great job on this Elefant mate, the thing doesn't just weigh much, it also looks heavy ! I look forward to the final result ! Will you present this one on a base or will you make a diorama for it ? And also the Pz IV W/W will catch my attention. Cheers AG, You know when you make a model that 'looks heavy', especially one fitted with lightweight Magic Tracks and not Lead Friuls that you have done something right! I'd LOVE to build a base for it (i.e. a proper one with groundworks) but as I like with my parents spaces is at a premium. I have my display cabinet with glass sides and glass shelves so I have a Tiger on a small plain base with nameplate and a 1/48 Halftrack on a 'proper' rocky base - it wouldn't take anything bigger! Personally, I have no interest in making dioramas myself but a nice, well laid-out base is great. When I have the £££'s saved to move out I'll look at making bases for the more models and I'll buy a bigger cabinet too as mine isn't deep enough. My Pz. I's and II's are fine as they are relatively very small and short barrelled but everything else has to sit side-on which quickly takes up space but I am able to set the shelves at different heights so I'll be okay for another 2 years yet. I'm not a fast builder and don't want to be either so it will last! You mention my Panzer IV - now that is a beauty! The in-box review from wbills website:linkBox art:The moulding look crisp and it's crammed full of detail. It will be my first 'proper' Pz.IV (I've built a Brummbar which utilises a Pz. IV chassis but Pz. I's, III's and StuG III's had always been my thing until very recently - I've only recently got into the big stuff like Elefants and Tiger I's! I'm going to build the Pz. IV but before I decide on a basecoat colour and add the white wash I'm going to W/wash my old Tamiya Hetzer as I want to see how this AK chipping solution performs - I have a bottle of heavy chipping and a bottle of worn effects for lighter work but I want so see how good a job it does as I've heard mixed results. Andy Leffler used it on his Tiger I and it came out great so fingers crossed it should be fine. Cheers AG, Ben
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Post by Tojo72 on Feb 26, 2013 10:13:51 GMT -5
Nice job again Ben
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Post by wing_nut on Feb 26, 2013 19:58:29 GMT -5
Ben you mention 2 kits that I've built, the Ferd and the Pz IV G, and are near top-o-the-list for best kits. Both a joy to build
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Post by chromdome35 on Feb 27, 2013 1:07:57 GMT -5
Really nice work. Very impressive!!!
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Post by Hinksy on Feb 27, 2013 11:12:30 GMT -5
Really nice work. Very impressive!!! Cheers guys! She'll be completed this weekend! Wingy - I cannot wait to start on that Pz. IV. I looked through the box last night and the detailing was mind-blowing! Nice to see Magic Tracks too - I'm going to try them before ordering Friuls as they look excellent! A replacement barrel is only £5 from my 'Friul man' so that's a no brainer! That Ferdy looks sweeet too. I might have to pick that up and show it as a factory fresh build? It looks too nice to cover in mud. I think that one comes with Magic tracks too? My Elefant came with them ugly DS Tracks hence the Friuls When the Elefant is done I'm going to have Godfather Dave take the completed build photos with his super set-up - photos taken with that will look excellent. He took the completed photos of my last Tiger I Ausf E and they were stunning. Update at the weekend - all I have left to do is dry pigment work, some more light streaking around the engine area and adding the spare tracks. Still undecided on the Antennae? Normally I'd just fit one but this thing stands really tall and an antennae will mean having to space my cabinet shelves further apart so I'll lose space but the obvios remedy is to have it removable and nor permanently fixed - just drill a tight hole with the pin vice to allow it to be fitted for shows etc and removed for the cabinet. Ben
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Post by 406 Silverado on Feb 27, 2013 11:31:38 GMT -5
Ben that IS a great kit, and it's on my shelf waiting to be built, along with other IV variants. I might do mine with winter tracks, or maybe the H version.
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Post by wing_nut on Feb 27, 2013 19:45:48 GMT -5
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Post by Hinksy on Feb 28, 2013 21:06:55 GMT -5
Ben... see if either of these tempt you Rob, the H has been in my stash a while now. I think something needs to be done about that. Mmmmm! Tanks! That's a sweeeeeet Ferdy and that Panzer IV is making me want to start building mine right now - is that IV the same kit as mine #6363? That's basically the same finish I'd be going for on both but for now I'm solely concentrating on the IV. I'll drop you a pm tomorrow with a couple of questions if that's ok? Did you blog this build? If so do you have a linky? Cheers Wingy, Ben
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Post by ceresvesta. on Mar 1, 2013 8:52:47 GMT -5
Awesome work again Hinsky!, I`ll be following your pzIV for sure.
Phil.
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Post by wing_nut on Mar 1, 2013 9:43:40 GMT -5
Ask away my friend. Yup, same kit. As to a blog... this was pretty close to the beginning of my interest in armor so not much in the way of progress pics. It's OOB except for Friuls. One of the things that got me into armor was all the multi-media and big parts counts in 1 box. At the time with the aircraft model you had to spend tone to get all the AM goodies so $40-$45 for a premium armor kits was a deal. Here's the link to rest of the finished pics. wingnutmodels.com/PanzerIVG.html
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Post by Hinksy on Mar 2, 2013 15:40:48 GMT -5
Hi fellas, Okay - the annual Hinckley Model Show that my club has a table at is looming (one day - Sunday 24th March). I can't build in the week due to various restraints and am working overtime tomorrow from home so decided to try and get this Elefant 'just about' finished today. I'm going to be asking for your opinions on a couple of things that I'm still undecided on so if I go with them I'll complete them tomorrow - job done! I was so busy at work yesterday evening that I decided to make a list of all outstanding jobs left to do ◦Paint Sledgehammer and PE mounting brackets and fix to tank ◦Fit spare links - front and back ◦Add additional oil stains and add small streaks around engine deck sidewalls like spillage ◦Add some faded green onto rear Notek ◦Apply final light matt coat (Vallejo airbrush varnish) ◦Apply final pigment coat ALL of this has been done today so I'm going to show you todays photos that I took with my own rubbish camera and I'll then tell you what I'm undecided on and hopefully I'll get some feedback from you guys to help me decide on what currently remains (in my mind) 'undecided!
As per my last Tiger I E my Godfather Dave will be taking 'the 'completed' photos with his mega bucks Nikkon set-up. We have arranged to do it next Saturday and I'll complete this blog then! ◦ Here we go - I hope you like: Below - spare links on: All Blackened with AK's stuff and treated with Mig's 'Standard Rust Wash': Below - Rear spare links in place. Sledgehammer on-PE latch release handle glued onto moulded clamp: Below - this is the only thing left to do; make up a DIY Lion Roar tow cable but this time the correct length!: ◦The main question I had re your feedback related to the Periscope. The kit one was a HORROR but I've found a properly moulded clear plastic one with lens detail in the spares tub (it can be seen in the above photo) but I'm not sure if I want to use it - what do you reckon. I assume the Casemate Periscope could be removed when not in use - it wasn't permanently fixed in place, was it? ◦Also, I'd like to add stowage - any suggestions? I want to add a cloth that has been draped over the rear spare links. Am I best to use tissue paper dipped in a PVA Glue and Water mixture? What is the ratio? Thanks guys - all feedback and suggestions are very welcome! I know I need to show some bare-metal on the sprocket teeth and guide horns. That will be done before the photo session next weekend Update either tomorrow or when I post the completed pictures next weekend and wrap this blog up! What a great build this has been! Take care, Ben
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Post by deafpanzer on Mar 2, 2013 16:46:46 GMT -5
How come you are not using Dragon's steel cable? Nothing's wrong with it? LOL Kidding... those kit steel cables are nasty! Whatever you will do will look far better than the kit part.
I really can not think of anything other what you have listed earlier. Maybe little touch of rust on the spare tracks?
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Post by Hinksy on Mar 2, 2013 17:06:03 GMT -5
How come you are not using Dragon's steel cable? Nothing's wrong with it? LOL Kidding... those kit steel cables are nasty! Whatever you will do will look far better than the kit part. I really can not think of anything other what you have listed earlier. Maybe little touch of rust on the spare tracks? It's awful stuff isn't it! The Lion Roar stuff is really soft and has hardly any memory so it doesn't curl up like Dragons wire does (like fishing braid). As for the spare tracks, they've had a Rusty Wash applied to ad a touch of tone but I'm thinking that this thing wasn't in service that long so the spare links would only have a touch of rust on them - at most? What do you reckon guys? If you look at the front spare links and look at the bolt heads and flat pieces to hold the links in place you can just see the rusty wash that has collected around the bolt heads. It's just Mig Standard Rust Effects - good stuff! Ben
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2013 0:32:45 GMT -5
Hey Ben thats the best looking Elefant kit i've seen !
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Post by Hinksy on Mar 3, 2013 7:08:23 GMT -5
Hey Ben thats the best looking Elefant kit i've seen ! Wahey! Cheers Carl Thanks buddy, that means a lot Ben
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Post by Hinksy on Mar 3, 2013 19:11:29 GMT -5
Hi fellas, Well, the highlighting of the sprocket teeth and guide horns has been done to great effect - it looks much better One thing that didn't work was the tow-cable. I've painted and fitted it BUT I'm not 'taken' by it? I'm not sure what the problem is with it but in my eyes it doesn't 'add' anything to the build? I mean It's a pretty sparse build anyway with no Periscope and pretty beat up with no stowage either unless you count spare tracks and a sledgehammer so it doesn't look odd not being there. As far as my work goes this is quite 'arty' in as far as what I've managed to achieve so I'll have to use my 'artistic licence' here. It's been painted up and if I change my mind later it's there to use. I know it should have one (in theory) BUT this is a very late war tank destroyer fighting the Red Army onslaught in defence of the Reich. Perhaps it snapped in use and was disposed off, perhaps it was lost - all I know is that it isn't going onto my Elefant at the minute Anyway, it's photo time next weekend with Godfather Dave and then a final update with final photos bringing this to a (hopefully) satisfying conclusion! I'm then planning to complete the little Tamiya Willy's Jeep that I have stored away in pre-painted sub assemblies before moving onto the sweeet Dragon Pz.IV G that is forever taunting me from the stash everytime I open my modelling cupboard! It would be nice to have that lil' Jeep ready for the show table. I know this IV will be a really enjoyable build. I'll be on lookout for a quickwheel mask for a IV at this show, that's for sure! 36 Road wheel halves to clean up (inc. the two spares obviously) Thanks again guys - I hope you all have a great week! Ben
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Post by Hinksy on Mar 9, 2013 12:28:33 GMT -5
Hi guys, As promised here are the final photos - The Elefant is complete! Godfather Dave has taken some cracking shots. Please feel free to let me know what you think regarding both the build and Dave's photos so I can provide feedback to him as he doesn't do a great deal of AFV close-up photography! It's been a great build that I've enjoyed immensely. Thankyou all for your kind support and words of encouragement. Thanks to Dave for his help with my final photos too - onto the Jeep and Panzer IV. Here we go: I hope you like them fellas! Take care, Ben
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Post by sfcmikej on Mar 9, 2013 12:41:19 GMT -5
Well done Ben.
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Post by wbill76 on Mar 9, 2013 13:05:24 GMT -5
Came out looking good Ben! Another fine build for the shelf.
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Post by Leon on Mar 9, 2013 13:10:55 GMT -5
Job well done Ben.Thanks for the ride.
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Post by wing_nut on Mar 9, 2013 13:18:25 GMT -5
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Post by Hinksy on Mar 9, 2013 13:19:13 GMT -5
Thanks guys, I'm really, really pleased with her. I'll be getting a blog started for my Jeep - it's not on here yet and the build itself is painted and in sub assemblies. Thanks again
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Post by deafpanzer on Mar 9, 2013 14:06:23 GMT -5
WHOA!!! Now we can see the camo much better this time even the streaks too. Stunning build!! Glad you didn't spray more camo on it. One of my favorites for sure... looking forward to see your little jeep finished and start that Pz IV!
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