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Post by robbo on Oct 16, 2013 14:32:13 GMT -5
Hi guys, I needed a place to start asking a few questions and throw a few ideas around prior to this beautiful ship getting built  I hope I can bring some of this beauty out by the end of the build and get it looking similar to this without the glass construction which house to hull section  Hope this gets some juices flowing  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 14:39:46 GMT -5
Impressive and ambitious project Robbo, I've built a few of Airfix's sail ships so feel free to ask away, might not have an answer though  good luck with her  |
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Post by chriss67 on Oct 16, 2013 15:05:51 GMT -5
Hi Ya Robbo.....nothing more majestic than a ship rigged for sail!This looks like a nice kit and a great choice indeed.Every now&then I build something nautical(always sail powered)and have built "OLD IRONSIDES" USS Constitution our beloved frigate anchored here in Boston,MA....I'am nobody's ship builder but I think you"ll enjoy it!
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Post by DickyF on Oct 16, 2013 16:44:52 GMT -5
Lookin' forward to seein' this one laid down on the blocks fella |
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Post by TRM on Oct 16, 2013 16:56:36 GMT -5
I'm in!! Rigged Ladies hold a sweet spot in me heart!! Looking forward to you digging in!!
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Post by wbill76 on Oct 16, 2013 19:50:59 GMT -5
Go for it Robbo! You can do it! |
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Post by Leon on Oct 16, 2013 20:46:28 GMT -5
Count me in Robbo.Love the old sailing ships. |
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Post by bullardino on Oct 17, 2013 1:58:52 GMT -5
Here I am Ian |
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Post by robbo on Oct 17, 2013 4:41:07 GMT -5
Well quite a following, better not muck it up  First thing I want to throw out there is the copper clad hull, as you can see from the picture on the refurbished original it's very highly polished copper  This is not I want on mine however impressive it looks. Old copper takes on a very brown look which is what I want for my ship. As you can see below a newly copper clad building and what it would look like after a few months in the weather   |
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Post by TRM on Oct 17, 2013 5:19:32 GMT -5
Great thought there Ian! The brown coloring would work very well! A couple greenish tone washes after the fact would make things pop too. I think typically, even though the copper took a while to degrade in the salty conditions, the ship builders ofter applied this thick toxic red oxide antifouling paint which was more of a paste to the hulls. This orevented the build up of organisms and keep the draft smooth for better movement through the water. If nothing else these things just give possible opertunity for weathering if you wanted. Either way she will be a looker when you get there!!
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Post by robbo on Oct 17, 2013 5:29:05 GMT -5
A nice bit of input there T, thanks mate |
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Post by wbill76 on Oct 17, 2013 19:25:35 GMT -5
I agree, you don't want to go with that shiny newly polished look. That's only for museums with full time staff! |
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Post by DickyF on Oct 18, 2013 13:47:26 GMT -5
I agree with Thorpe....the oxidised brown copper look with the pale green wash overall would look superb in my opinion. I'm not sure that red oxide would have been commonly used on these clippers (1869?) - the copper was chosen as marine growths such as barnacles and suchlike don't like it - these things slow down the vessel by reducing hydrodynamics and also add a lot of weight - speed was what these vessels were all about eh?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 14:07:12 GMT -5
A mate of mine copper coated his boat and after a short time it took on a bronze/green look.
He reckoned that a year in the sea took 3 knots off the cruise speed due the extra drag and weight of the fouling.
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Post by DickyF on Oct 18, 2013 14:54:01 GMT -5
It's amazing how much effect stuff like this has...I always remember that on the old RN Leander Class frigates a full coat of paint, primer, undercoats and top layer weighed over 11 tons once a ship had been re-painted 4 times, it either had to be stripped right back or re-ballasted!
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Post by scratchmod on Oct 19, 2013 9:24:13 GMT -5
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
I haven't built this ship in....30+ years. I built the large scale Revell kit. I am looking forward to this one for sure.
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Post by robbo on Oct 19, 2013 9:32:23 GMT -5
That's to spirit lads plenty of chat in this one. Thanks Rob, I knew you be in once you saw this one Wish I had seen your |
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Post by scratchmod on Oct 19, 2013 9:34:04 GMT -5
Yeah I built mine years ago in the large scale for my uncle who was a Merchant Marine in the old days when they trained and sailed clippers. He's long passed away and I have no clue what happened to the model.
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Post by robbo on Oct 19, 2013 9:37:58 GMT -5
Bet it was good though |
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Post by robbo on Oct 19, 2013 9:42:01 GMT -5
Righto next thing is how best to recreate the lovely high gloss wood finish as shown below  Not had too much experience with oils but I'm assuming this is the way to go. Remember these wooden section are tiny so don't have to go overboard on then. You'll be seeing just how small soon |
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Post by scratchmod on Oct 19, 2013 9:43:54 GMT -5
I'd say a brown color and then a dark brown wash for those small parts. Would be hard to recreate wood grain in that scale.
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Post by robbo on Oct 19, 2013 9:47:15 GMT -5
Another shot of the different wood finishes shame about that lady that got in the camera shot  |
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Post by robbo on Oct 19, 2013 9:48:37 GMT -5
Missed you there Rob, I'm assuming with that way a nice gloss coat to finish it off ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2013 10:50:05 GMT -5
Another shot of the different wood finishes shame about that lady that got in the camera shot Flipping old folk get everywhere nower days Looking forward ward to seeing some plastic Robbo |
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Post by Keith Christie on Oct 19, 2013 12:02:54 GMT -5
Hi Ian,
I'm looking forward to seeing this come together, you can't beat a good ship build.
Best Regards
Keith.
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Post by DickyF on Oct 19, 2013 13:35:30 GMT -5
lol She do get about that ol' bird eh? She's everywhere always photobombing peoples piccies...... I did the wood on mine mid/light brown and then washed with Dark Brown Oil heavily thinned with spirit - whne dried it got two relatively heavy coats of Gloss Cote - came out ok methink:  |
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Post by `Boots` on Oct 19, 2013 13:58:09 GMT -5
Great choice fella... , the wood will polish up a treat with a few thin coats of Lacquer/gloss etc.....just give ya oils a wee while to dry orfe and then mist ya shiny coats over the top, i know it sounds daft but why don`t you do any bits which need oil finishes now....that way when ya come to need them they`ll be all nice and ready fella, just a thought  |
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Post by DickyF on Oct 19, 2013 14:00:35 GMT -5
Good idea Boots - be careful though, yer know good ideas make yer feet fall orfe.....
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Post by `Boots` on Oct 19, 2013 14:05:24 GMT -5
Thank ferk it don`t happen too often then, there`s a good chance i`d put them back on the wrong ferkin` way round!!!  |
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Post by robbo on Oct 19, 2013 15:45:58 GMT -5
Very good idea Boots mate. Your wood looks great Dick, I just need it a bit lighter mate Steve, Keith glad to know your both watching |
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