Rick
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Post by Rick on Feb 21, 2015 2:50:36 GMT -5
Looks great Jimmy. Your pre-shading really brings life to this one, especially under that trip finish. Very nice.
Rick
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Post by JimD on Feb 23, 2015 1:55:38 GMT -5
Thank you, sir. It's late so I'm going to keep this one short. I added the RLM04 underneats the nose. I matched the color to the decals as best I could. Also painted the wheel wheels (which I didn't photograph apparently) and area under the forward slats. Attached the air filter and exhaust too. After I took the pictures I began adding control surfaces, but didn't feel like going back to the camera, so you can see those in the next update  Tomorrow I'm going to go in with lightened RLM 79 and hit the spots some spots to fade things out more. I don't think the black unfed the top color is really working for me.   |
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Post by deafpanzer on Feb 23, 2015 2:22:22 GMT -5
You nailed... can't wait to see more! Please... LOL
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Post by dupes on Feb 23, 2015 11:10:50 GMT -5
I don't think it looks bad/wrong/whatever, but I can see what you mean about needing some lightened 79 up top.
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Post by JimD on Feb 23, 2015 11:20:28 GMT -5
Yeah...the environment these things operated in would bleach the paint out more than anything. I think filters and washes would bring it together more, but I'm having a really hard time convincing myself, so I plan to work it down a little....we will see.
Thanks for checking in guys.
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Post by dupes on Feb 23, 2015 11:24:24 GMT -5
Between future and weathering (I feel like we've had this discussion before) I don't think you'll run into any issues toning down a lightened coat of 79.
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Post by JimD on Feb 23, 2015 11:41:13 GMT -5
Yeah...I've had that convo a bit when asked about this technique, so I'm confident we have had it....Future really knocks the contrast right out...so much so it seems..that I'm never completely satisfied with the end result... I thought I had posted this pic, but:  A couple spots where I had to touch up scuffed paint are really bright...and the black showing through...I think if I hit that with faded 79 I'll be on track. Filters can do the rest. Now I just need to find the bench time  |
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Post by dupes on Feb 23, 2015 11:42:34 GMT -5
Find it! Find it!
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Post by doogsatx/ on Feb 23, 2015 13:03:47 GMT -5
So I tried to deal with the Montex masks last night. Nope. I screwed up nothing doing them first. Frankly, they are perfectly workable if you work in reverse to what you'd think would be the appropriate sequence... That is lay down the colors you need masked first, use the innards of the mask to mask them off and build up from there. Basically working from the interior most portions out. I did this on the Ju88 and had virtually no problems and had I not let the vinyl sit on paint for months and eat it, things would have been awesome. Starting with the large portions of the masking and working in - these things are virtually impossible. I'm reluctantly going to use the decals and call it lesson learned I think.... Anyway...night wasn't a waste. I got the white ID bands on. Gunze Off White is a beautiful thing I avoid Montex masks unless I literally have no other choice. They are horrible, evil things. For the future, I'd highly recommend, if you can find them, the insignia masks done by Scale Precision Masks. Joe's close up shop for the last year or so, but you can still find them on Sprue Brothers I think. Love his approach - each element of the mask is it's own dedicated mask, if that makes sense. So if it's an RAF roundel, instead of a bunch of impossible little rings, you have a few different sized circles. Paint the outside one, place the next smaller one, spray it, and so on until you're done. Another better-than-Montex is Maketar. If the vinyl isn't you're thing, you can get them in yellow kabuki tape which is a lot easier to place. You can also buy just insignias or just fuselage codes (though Alec is working on a "build your own mask set" kind of thing now). In general I find them better thought-out and easier to place than Montex. Still maddening - but less so. |
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doogsatx/
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Post by doogsatx/ on Feb 23, 2015 13:11:09 GMT -5
Thank you, sir. It's late so I'm going to keep this one short. I added the RLM04 underneats the nose. I matched the color to the decals as best I could. Also painted the wheel wheels (which I didn't photograph apparently) and area under the forward slats. Attached the air filter and exhaust too. After I took the pictures I began adding control surfaces, but didn't feel like going back to the camera, so you can see those in the next update Tomorrow I'm going to go in with lightened RLM 79 and hit the spots some spots to fade things out more. I don't think the black unfed the top color is really working for me. One of my resolutions this year is to start doing some aggressive color-lightening for the exact reason that filters and such will darken it up a bit anyway. As for the black undercoat, two things will tone it down a great deal - the weathering steps, and what I call "tonal crush". Which is basically contrasting colors of other camoflage elements and markings tricking the eye into blending the localized contrast, or crushing it. A bit more on the concept here: doogsmodels.com/2014/10/01/tonal-crush/In short, I wouldn't worry about it too much at this juncture. That 79 will tie together a lot more once you've got those black crosses on the wings. |
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Post by JimD on Feb 23, 2015 14:12:56 GMT -5
I am all over Maketar mask with my next round of mask stocking. I completely forgot that Scale Precision had put out insignia sets. I'll have to see if Sprue Bros. is still stocking any. I used them on the Spitfire and Mustang gone wrong and they were absolutely awesome.
I read your post about "tonal crush" when you published it which is why I really am trying to lay off blending it in more because I've noticed it myself for sure.
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 23, 2015 18:14:29 GMT -5
Trying to compensate for the darkening (or altering in general) process that inevitably happens with weathering is one of the reasons I end up with custom mixes all over my workbench for different projects all the time! Pairing up lightened base coat colors along with pre-shading seems to work pretty well as long as you don't get too heavy-handed in either direction (all too easy to do depending on the subject and number of passes you have to take!) and it looks like you're headed in the right direction from here Jimmy! |
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Post by JimD on Feb 23, 2015 22:09:12 GMT -5
It is an ongoing challenge...for me at least. I've been pretty happy with results of late though. I thought I had a handle on it somewhat, but I just think the Sandgelb is a unique color maybe. I do think I'm in a comfortable spot now though. Thanks for the encouragement. |
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Post by TRM on Feb 23, 2015 22:40:42 GMT -5
Yeah...what they said!!  LOL!! Can't comment on the quality of any of the masking brotha...but the wingy is looking damn fine if you ask me!! |
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Post by wing_nut on Feb 24, 2015 8:21:02 GMT -5
I think I may just stop building for a while. I need time to let Jimmy and doogs work on their aircraft weathering techniques to perfect them. Then i can jump back in and learn all over again. Move over "Spanish School" here comes the "Texas Twosome Tutors".
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Post by JimD on Feb 24, 2015 9:18:55 GMT -5
Ha. I don't know about that. I've perfected a few things...but mostly profanity, being content, and not killing myself with hobby tools....the last one just barely  Thank you though. These comments help a lot with my confidence to not be terrified to try things. |
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Post by JimD on Feb 26, 2015 11:59:09 GMT -5
Laid down a couple of coats of Alclad Aqua Gloss...I think I like it...I dunno. Marathon decal session and here we are. The decals did bring things together a good bit I think...Hasegawa decals struck again...fragile as heck, but don't want to sink into recesses.    |
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Post by fightnjoe on Feb 26, 2015 14:50:04 GMT -5
Stunning. Really stunning.
Joe
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Post by wbill76 on Feb 26, 2015 15:02:17 GMT -5
Always cool to see the markings transformation happen. Nice work Jimmy.
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Post by wing_nut on Feb 26, 2015 16:33:23 GMT -5
Oh my, that's so nice it hurts.
Scha-Wing
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Post by JimD on Feb 26, 2015 16:42:29 GMT -5
I appreciate the comments gents. Hopefully get a protective gloss on and move on soon.
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Post by Leon on Feb 26, 2015 18:15:12 GMT -5
Really looking good with the markings on Jimmy!
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Post by Tojo72 on Feb 26, 2015 18:34:16 GMT -5
My favorite part ofA/C modeling,decaling brings it to life.
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Post by deafpanzer on Feb 26, 2015 18:54:25 GMT -5
I think I am in love... |
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Post by JimD on Feb 26, 2015 20:08:42 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. Sitting down now to touch up some things and will then clear coat and hopefully the fun of beating this thing up can begin soon. I think I am in love... Even though we've only been chatting online I feel the same way....oh...the model....well this isn't awkward at all |
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Post by TRM on Feb 26, 2015 20:16:58 GMT -5
Very nice there Jimmy!! Looking really good with some dressing! Rounding 3rd and heading for home!!!
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Post by JimD on Feb 27, 2015 13:16:22 GMT -5
Laid down a coat of gloss to protect the decals then broke out the Ammo panel line washes. All I can say about them is....best investment ever. They flow amazingly well and don't seem to separate at all. The only downside is that in the course of applying them I did need to seal and re-shake the bottle a couple of times. First world problems... Here is the grey designed for RLM 76. It's perfect to my eye. It adds the wanted depth but isn't too stark at all.  I applied them as above and let them dry a few minutes. I shot the hairdryer at them to speed things up. Wiped things away with a makeup sponge. I did two applications. If I were a little more patient one application would be enough perhaps. I will give it longer to dry next time. You can also kinda make out the brown used over the RLM 04. I used that on the RLM 79 too which worked well. (No pic)  I'll let it dry and the I'm going to throw more gloss to seal it in and work the decal film flush with the surface. Then on to filters. |
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Post by doogsatx/ on Feb 27, 2015 13:37:45 GMT -5
The AMMO PLW really is greatness...I was super skeptical until I tried it and now I can't imagine using anything else.
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Post by Tojo72 on Feb 27, 2015 13:54:52 GMT -5
Looks like good stuff for sure.
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Post by JimD on Feb 27, 2015 14:08:46 GMT -5
I was fairly skeptical too. I certainly be adding to the collection.
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LOL!! Can't comment on the quality of any of the masking brotha...but the wingy is looking damn fine if you ask me!! 
