Porsche Jagdtiger. Ahhh, what the hell , another pic .

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T and Mike thanks for stopping but , come back anytime ! ;D

Bring cheeto's

[bbd468]

Carl, i had the same fit issue with 2 or 3 Dragon kits. One, a Panther, I had to add styrene strip to fill it in. Hmmm.....i see a pattern. Lookin' nice my man!

Gary

[deafpanzer]

Really like what you have done to the metal sprockets and tracks!!! I usually have them primed with real good primer first. Looks like you are on track toward to another great build...

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Gary and Andy , thanks for stoppin by so late in the evenning !

Gary , Whats up with them guys at Dragon ? Irritates me , i may have to open a bag of Cheeto's to calm myself

Andy , the tracks look so good i may not have to paint them . Theres even a smidgin of "rust" in there . ;D

[bullardino]

Nice job on the sprocket and tracks, Carl

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Soooooo , i have finished assembling the Porsche type suspension .
Strange looking stuff . The Porsche type suspension had the torsion bar assembly mounted on the exterior in a housing . Henschels suspension had interior mounted torsion bars . Also there are only 8 separate wheels per side on the Porsche . Where as the Henschel had 9 sets of dual wheels .......18 individual wheels per side !But there was more wear per roadwheel on the Porsche type .

[bullardino]

Here it is one reason german tanks were so prone to breaking. I couldn't think of a more complicated system for such a simple task...

Great job on the suspension, Carl

[wing_nut]

Nice Carl. Like the sprocket idea. And if those were your Cheetos, you can write them off. I Hoover up Cheetos like crazy.h

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Luigi , aint that the truth ! How many man hrs. were used in engineering and fabricating these complicated failures .There's a story that the 128mm on these were in short supply and the 88mm canon had the same knock out power as the 128mm at certain ranges but big "H" wanted the bigger looking canon ........

Bml , hmmmmm , OMG !!!! I'm down to my last 5 bags !!! I gotta get another case of them UPS'd !!!!

Marc , your a fellow Cheeto-ite ? Cool bro ! . Any cheeto's within my arm reach are mine ! ;D

[bullardino]

Jan 7, 2013 14:59:52 GMT -5 @shellback said:

Luigi , aint that the truth ! How many man hrs. were used in engineering and fabricating these complicated failures .There's a story that the 128mm on these were in short supply and the 88mm canon had the same knock out power as the 128mm at certain ranges but big "H" wanted the bigger looking canon ........

The main example is that both the Sherman and the T-34 were built in more numbers than ALL the german tanks of WW2.

Re H, i suppose it was something symbolic

[`Boots`]

Looking top notch so far Carl ;D and i like the bolt idea for the sprockets.............man i reckon i could fill a book with all the hints/tips/ideas from various blogs..................great work so far fella and keep her rollin`

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Luigi , yes , Adolph "H" .

T , maybe you could title that book the "nuts and bolts of building models" ? ;D

[bullardino]

Jan 7, 2013 15:51:49 GMT -5 @shellback said:

Luigi , yes , Adolph "H" .

I meant the gun size should have been symbolic

[wouter]

Jan 7, 2013 15:13:31 GMT -5 bullardino said:

Jan 7, 2013 14:59:52 GMT -5 @shellback said:

Luigi , aint that the truth ! How many man hrs. were used in engineering and fabricating these complicated failures .There's a story that the 128mm on these were in short supply and the 88mm canon had the same knock out power as the 128mm at certain ranges but big "H" wanted the bigger looking canon ........

The main example is that both the Sherman and the T-34 were built in more numbers than ALL the german tanks of WW2.

Re H, i suppose it was something symbolic

true, but don't forget that those lacked much protection (especially the Shermans) against the German guns...bigger numbers of tanks ment bigger amounts of crew which were expandable...that's a bit sad. A thing which the Germans couln't afford. Unfortunately (or should I say, luckily for us modellers) lots of the German stuff were over engineered. Especially Dr. Porsche was very good at this.

If one knows that the 128 mm was allready succesfully used on the Stürer Emil it's quite strange that they didn't build more of those. Oh well, if that was done we wouldn't have known the Tiger programm.

Anywhoo, keep yer candy comin' Carlos dude! ^^

Cheers

[Leon]

Fine job so far Carl,agree with the others on what you did with the sprockets and fruils.
Keep her comin.

Leon

[ogrejohn]

It is a rather odd looking suspension. You're making great progress on it Carl!

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Luigi , ohhhhhhhhh ! ;D A story i heard about Adoph .When he first saw the 128mm mounted on the Mause super tank he said it looked too small for the size of the tank and suggested a 150mm canon . sounds like he had to make up for somethin .

Wouts , interesting about the Germans not producing enough 128 mm . There was a suggestion to replace it with the more common 88mm which had as good a tank killing potential as the 128mm at certain ranges .

Leon and John , thanks for stoppin in guys .

[wbill76]

Main challenge with the 128mm was the two-part ammo, complicated storage, right of fire, everything vs. the proven 88. Towards war's end there was a definite gigantism craze going on...just look at what the Soviets were fielding!

Nice work on the suspension there Carl!

[modelfreak72]

Hey Carl! Just getting caught up here and........Holy Cow! Awesome work! When I started looking, I was hoping you weren't going to use some AM tracks, I built this kit awhile back and nearly went into convulsions putting the kit track together! looking good sir!

Pete

[bullardino]

Jan 7, 2013 16:07:40 GMT -5 wouter said:

true, but don't forget that those lacked much protection (especially the Shermans) against the German guns...bigger numbers of tanks ment bigger amounts of crew which were expandable...that's a bit sad. A thing which the Germans couln't afford. Unfortunately (or should I say, luckily for us modellers) lots of the German stuff were over engineered. Especially Dr. Porsche was very good at this.

Don't forget that only the Panther and the Tiger were so much better than Shermans and, most of all, T-34s. The backbone of the panzerdivisions were PZ III and IV, with their stug versions. And they weren't as good as the kitties

But I'm driving this thread too much OT Sorry Carl...

[wouter]

correct, but the PzIII and IV weren't as overengineered as later tanks and tank destroyers. And let's not forget that the Elefant was quite succesfull as well, just as the JagdPanther, but that one came too late (lucky us ^^)

btw, I don't think Carl minds, I think it's an interesting discussion on the sideline of this great build

Cheers

[bullardino]

Jan 8, 2013 4:45:31 GMT -5 wouter said:

correct, but the PzIII and IV weren't as overengineered as later tanks and tank destroyers. And let's not forget that the Elefant was quite succesfull as well, just as the JagdPanther, but that one came too late (lucky us ^^)

That's true, but they still were longer to build and much more prone to problems due to bad standardization.

If a T-34 had a broken suspension, you could take one from a destroyed one without any problem. They could even work with Panther wheels...

If a PZ IV ausf J had problems, you couldn't canibalize any Pz IV to make it work, as it changed significantly during operational life.

Luckily for modelers and allied troops, the germans didn't standardize their afvs. Just think of how many different tanks you can build on the german side and on the allied side...

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Luigi and wouts , good points .Heck no i dont mind these discusions ! This hobby is about the history as well as the plastic .imo .
from what i've been reading the main problem with the big German tanks was the power plants and drive trains were overly suceptable to breakdons . A lot of these big Jagd's were abondoned due to breakdowns .

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Bill , two part ammo would definetly make reloading slow , imo . That combined with this tank having to rotate the entire vehicle to make large adjustments on targets , either that or wait till the target drove right in front of it .

Pete , i decided to try the Friuls on this one , my first time . Sounds like the kits tracks are a pain . The Friuls for this are turning out to be time consuming but i like the look and sturdiness of them after assembly .

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Thats certainly was true with the Shermans and T-34's wasnt it .

[wouter]

Friuls ey? Cool stuff mate! Which ones are you going to use? Because there are photos of 'Porsche' Jagds with the same tracks fitted as on the Elefant...would be interesting as well.
It can be seen on this photo, although not very clear

Problems with this suspension where heavy vibrations in the Jagd...so they tried modified Elefant track to check out if the problem was solved that way...it didn't...hence the reason why just a few were build with the Porsche suspension...the Henschel one proved more reliable and less vibrations

oh, and Friuls will make your model superheavy ;D

Looking forward to this mate

Cheers

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Wouts , thanks for info and the pics . I read where the Porsche suspension wasnt good for off road cross country use . That vibration you mentioned was bad enough that the cannon aiming system had to be recalibrated after moving the tank . The picture below is the track type i'm using . Its Friuls ATL-22 set . Their for the initial Porshe Tiger and Jagd .

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BML , yup , with the superiority of today munitions its a sure hit and its a deadly hit .

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Here's some re-done damage on the glacis . I removed most of the splintering damage . I dint find that type of damage on the Jagd's i looked at in my research . I used my imaginatio and created some damage on the gun cradle . I wasnt to mount it but then decided that it would inhance the other damage .Also added the weld bead around the m.g.34 housing .

[danb.]

The battle damage is really looking good Carl especially the gun travel bracket top job buddy keep it up.

Dan B