MSC 2024 Fw190 Butcher Bird Group Build

[406 Silverado]

Jan 6, 2024 17:59:03 GMT -5 hasenpfeffer said:

Jay - HTH

  +1 Karma to you Dave. Thanks man.

[dean48ws]

Ok, I'm really going to show my ignorance here, but I'm hoping if someone can explain the pre painting of the panel joint lines prior to painting the base colour. Doesn't the base colour and subsequent camo colours or whatever, bury the preshading (if that's the correct term)? Is it something I should be considering for this build or just get it together and basic paint at this stage?? There may be a build on here that walks me through it but I'm not sure where to start looking. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Feel free to pull the wool as well, we'll see who can spin the best 'that just might be believable yarn'!!!!!

[jeaton01]

Those that do that apply the overcoats in thin layers, stopping when the shading is to their liking. I look more for random fading as that is what I am used to seeing, and let the panel lines speak for themselves. Sometimes I do add washes to bring them out better but my builds usually are cleaner than many like, in respect to weathering.

[406 Silverado]

Jan 14, 2024 1:39:37 GMT -5 dean48ws said:

Ok, I'm really going to show my ignorance here, but I'm hoping if someone can explain the pre painting of the panel joint lines prior to painting the base colour. Doesn't the base colour and subsequent camo colours or whatever, bury the preshading (if that's the correct term)? Is it something I should be considering for this build or just get it together and basic paint at this stage?? There may be a build on here that walks me through it but I'm not sure where to start looking. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Feel free to pull the wool as well, we'll see who can spin the best 'that just might be believable yarn'!!!!!

  No worries Tim, after priming go over the primer coat with a dark color such as black on the panel lines using an airbrush then come over that with a gradual buildup of the color coat, you'll see the magic unfold. Keith (@terrorzscale0) did this with his recent Zero build. This is an in progress shot of his Zero to explain the process.



and when the color coat is completely appllied it looks something like this:

[eaglecash867]

Jan 14, 2024 1:39:37 GMT -5 dean48ws said:

Ok, I'm really going to show my ignorance here, but I'm hoping if someone can explain the pre painting of the panel joint lines prior to painting the base colour. Doesn't the base colour and subsequent camo colours or whatever, bury the preshading (if that's the correct term)? Is it something I should be considering for this build or just get it together and basic paint at this stage?? There may be a build on here that walks me through it but I'm not sure where to start looking. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Feel free to pull the wool as well, we'll see who can spin the best 'that just might be believable yarn'!!!!!

There are all kinds of different ways to approach this.  I tend to start off with the base color right over the primer, and then do the pre-shading/highlighting where I use both lighter and darker colors, depending on what the base color is.  I also throw in random splotches and streaks of chromate and silver paint here and there, and then go over the whole thing again with the base color, generally in light, random patterns to get a realistic unevenly worn appearance.  These F-16CJ pics are a good example of what that technique produces for me.  Will be using a similar technique on my Fw190A4 build.

[dean48ws]

Many thanks to Jeaton01, Silverado and eaglecash867 for the hints and pictures. In regard to the use of darker paints, is the main purpose to show the join/shadow line between the panels or to indicate a certain amount of 'grime' in the joint or a bit of both?

[TJ]

Jan 15, 2024 3:13:18 GMT -5 dean48ws said:

Many thanks to Jeaton01, Silverado and eaglecash867 for the hints and pictures. In regard to the use of darker paints, is the main purpose to show the join/shadow line between the panels or to indicate a certain amount of 'grime' in the joint or a bit of both?

Yes in both cases.  On combat aircraft not much time was given to cleaning. Many times it was cleaned with a greasy rag that probably made it worse.  To answer your question directly. The line between panels would hold a certain amount t of grime and dirt. Also depending on the environment the center of panels would fade quicker then the edges.  HTH

[dean48ws]

Jan 15, 2024 7:23:20 GMT -5 TJ said:

Jan 15, 2024 3:13:18 GMT -5 dean48ws said:

Many thanks to Jeaton01, Silverado and eaglecash867 for the hints and pictures. In regard to the use of darker paints, is the main purpose to show the join/shadow line between the panels or to indicate a certain amount of 'grime' in the joint or a bit of both?

Yes in both cases.  On combat aircraft not much time was given to cleaning. Many times it was cleaned with a greasy rag that probably made it worse.  To answer your question directly. The line between panels would hold a certain amount t of grime and dirt. Also depending on the environment the center of panels would fade quicker then the edges.  HTH

Great info, greatly appreciated, thank you!!

[cbaltrin]

Ok, This is not good. I don't have time for this you know. But I can't resist a Luftwaffe GB , especially a 109 or 190 specific one.. Did I mention I had a brief hiatus from the hobby when I was in the Navy back in the early 90's?  Well, when that was over, the 1st kit I picked up at a LHS in San Diego was a Tamiya 1/48 Fw-190D-9.  Again, the box art got  me.. Yellow and red fuselage band and a blue 15 on the fuse... And I had never heard of an inline engined 190 at that point and that was COOL.  

So I guess what I am saying is "I'm In!".   Can't nail down my entry but it's probably going to be another Tamiya 190D (have the Eagle Editions corrected gun cover/spinner/props and the kit in the stash)  or a 1/72 Airfix/MPC 190A-6/7/8.  Then again, I could just pulled the old Monogram 190 out of the stash ...

[406 Silverado]

Jan 21, 2024 16:33:56 GMT -5 cbaltrin said:

Ok, This is not good. I don't have time for this you know. But I can't resist a Luftwaffe GB , especially a 109 or 190 specific one.. Did I mention I had a brief hiatus from the hobby when I was in the Navy back in the early 90's?  Well, when that was over, the 1st kit I picked up at a LHS in San Diego was a Tamiya 1/48 Fw-190D-9.  Again, the box art got  me.. Yellow and red fuselage band and a blue 15 on the fuse... And I had never heard of an inline engined 190 at that point and that was COOL.  

So I guess what I am saying is "I'm In!".   Can't nail down my entry but it's probably going to be another Tamiya 190D (have the Eagle Editions corrected gun cover/spinner/props and the kit in the stash)  or a 1/72 Airfix/MPC 190A-6/7/8.  Then again, I could just pulled the old Monogram 190 out of the stash ...

 Now this is gonna be epic. Looking forward to having you in the build Chris!

[cbaltrin]

Jan 21, 2024 16:36:25 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

Jan 21, 2024 16:33:56 GMT -5 cbaltrin said:

Ok, This is not good. I don't have time for this you know. But I can't resist a Luftwaffe GB , especially a 109 or 190 specific one.. Did I mention I had a brief hiatus from the hobby when I was in the Navy back in the early 90's?  Well, when that was over, the 1st kit I picked up at a LHS in San Diego was a Tamiya 1/48 Fw-190D-9.  Again, the box art got  me.. Yellow and red fuselage band and a blue 15 on the fuse... And I had never heard of an inline engined 190 at that point and that was COOL.  

So I guess what I am saying is "I'm In!".   Can't nail down my entry but it's probably going to be another Tamiya 190D (have the Eagle Editions corrected gun cover/spinner/props and the kit in the stash)  or a 1/72 Airfix/MPC 190A-6/7/8.  Then again, I could just pulled the old Monogram 190 out of the stash ...

 Now this is gonna be epic. Looking forward to having you in the build Chris!

Great ... who do I pay to get my name on the roster?   

[406 Silverado]

Jan 21, 2024 18:55:48 GMT -5 cbaltrin said:

Jan 21, 2024 16:36:25 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

 Now this is gonna be epic. Looking forward to having you in the build Chris!

Great ... who do I pay to get my name on the roster?   

  Nuthin'.....just lemme know which way you want to go and I'll fill in the blank. 

[kyledehart5]

Excellent!! Another victim! Err…entrant

[hasenpfeffer]

Jan 21, 2024 16:33:56 GMT -5 cbaltrin said:

Ok, This is not good. I don't have time for this you know. But I can't resist a Luftwaffe GB , especially a 109 or 190 specific one.. Did I mention I had a brief hiatus from the hobby when I was in the Navy back in the early 90's?  Well, when that was over, the 1st kit I picked up at a LHS in San Diego was a Tamiya 1/48 Fw-190D-9.  Again, the box art got  me.. Yellow and red fuselage band and a blue 15 on the fuse... And I had never heard of an inline engined 190 at that point and that was COOL.  

So I guess what I am saying is "I'm In!".   Can't nail down my entry but it's probably going to be another Tamiya 190D (have the Eagle Editions corrected gun cover/spinner/props and the kit in the stash)  or a 1/72 Airfix/MPC 190A-6/7/8.  Then again, I could just pulled the old Monogram 190 out of the stash ...

Yeah baby! Forget the 1:72. you know you want 1:48 or bigger. D-9 is good, for sure. So many options. Let's GO!

[speedgraflex]

Gents,

Are prototypes allowed? I have a review pending of the FW190TL which is built on a modified Hobby Boss A6:



Scale would be 1/72.



The kit features a finely detailed jet engine - see instructions above.

[406 Silverado]

Feb 7, 2024 14:42:07 GMT -5 speedgraflex said:

Gents,

Are prototypes allowed? I have a review pending of the FW190TL which is built on a modified Hobby Boss A6:



Scale would be 1/72.



The kit features a finely detailed jet engine - see instructions above.

I'm down with THAT!! What a cool concept and I've never heard of this one. I'm definitely looking forward to this. Start a thread brother.

[speedgraflex]

Cool! Thank you so much, bud! Will start a thread for this amongst the other fine builds going on!

[406 Silverado]

Feb 7, 2024 15:19:34 GMT -5 speedgraflex said:

Cool! Thank you so much, bud! Will start a thread for this amongst the other fine builds going on!

Looking forward to seeing this one when you get to it Bruce! I’ve been liking that Star Trek build that you’ve got going on. Some good stuff in that thread.

[stikpusher]

Man that engine almost looks like the turbofans on an A-10 or S-3... 

Very cool subject selection Bruce!

[cbaltrin]

406 Silverado I Just picked this up. Might have to throw it into the mix...

[406 Silverado]

Feb 17, 2024 17:17:03 GMT -5 cbaltrin said:

406 Silverado I Just picked this up. Might have to throw it into the mix...

Now that looks like a fun build Chris. Glad to have you in here for another one and I'll get it on the roster bro.

[jester75]

[406 Silverado]

Mar 8, 2024 21:25:05 GMT -5 jester75 said:

[TJ]

Mar 8, 2024 23:05:55 GMT -5 406 Silverado said:

Mar 8, 2024 21:25:05 GMT -5 jester75 said:

Oh he's hooked

[jester75]

It wouldn't be right to be a member of the forum while a 190 GB was on going and not participate..... 

Since this one has a long leash, I'll throw my hat in the ring with Eduards A-6 finished in Hans Dortenmann's winter livery. Hans had a pretty interesting career and it was in this plane where he collided with a Soviet fighter losing a sizeable portion of his wing and crash landing in early '44. It's gonna be a minute before I can spin this one up while I finish out a few other projects. This will polish off my trifecta of Dortenmann's various aircraft during his service.







The stable so far...

[406 Silverado]

Mar 10, 2024 10:59:07 GMT -5 jester75 said:

It wouldn't be right to be a member of the forum while a 190 GB was on going and not participate..... 

Since this one has a long leash, I'll throw my hat in the ring with Eduards A-6 finished in Hans Dortenmann's winter livery. Hans had a pretty interesting career and it was in this plane where he collided with a Soviet fighter losing a sizeable portion of his wing and crash landing in early '44. It's gonna be a minute before I can spin this one up while I finish out a few other projects. This will polish off my trifecta of Dortenmann's various aircraft during his service.

  Great back story to go along with the build and some great finished up 190's on that table. Glad to have you in here Eric and I'll get you added to the roster bud. 

[406 Silverado]

You've now been added Eric (jester75). 

[stuart]

Ah what the hell, I really fancy building something in 1/48th and it's been years since I built a FW190. Also being new to the forum it'd be nice to join in with you guys and get to know you all a bit better

Joe put me down for one of these - don't get too excited, it'll be badly built and brush painted.

Cheers!

Stuart

[kyledehart5]

Mar 13, 2024 9:20:32 GMT -5 stuart said:

Ah what the hell, I really fancy building something in 1/48th and it's been years since I built a FW190. Also being new to the forum it'd be nice to join in with you guys and get to know you all a bit better

Joe put me down for one of these - don't get too excited, it'll be badly built and brush painted.

Cheers!

Stuart

Awesome Stuart!!

[406 Silverado]

Mar 13, 2024 9:20:32 GMT -5 stuart said:

Ah what the hell, I really fancy building something in 1/48th and it's been years since I built a FW190. Also being new to the forum it'd be nice to join in with you guys and get to know you all a bit better

Joe put me down for one of these - don't get too excited, it'll be badly built and brush painted.

Cheers!

Stuart

  First off, this'll be fun to watch you build up and secondly.......what....EVER on the build quality. You'll do a great job at this Stuart. Glad to have you in here brother.