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Post by project510 on Jul 18, 2024 15:27:41 GMT -5
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Post by arcticwolf on Jul 18, 2024 17:13:09 GMT -5
Hareline hollow tubing. That’s pretty cool. I looked for it everywhere, nobody had even heard of it. Finally I tried Amazon. Duh! 9000 varieties of it, lol. |
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Post by project510 on Jul 19, 2024 0:24:35 GMT -5
Well that was difficult haha.  |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Jul 19, 2024 2:19:11 GMT -5
I see you enlisted the help of tiny minions to help you get all that installed. Great work!
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Post by joelw on Jul 19, 2024 13:39:09 GMT -5
Hareline hollow tubing. That’s pretty cool. I looked for it everywhere, nobody had even heard of it. Finally I tried Amazon. Duh! 9000 varieties of it, lol. Paul, I never thought about Amazon. joel |
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Post by project510 on Jul 25, 2024 10:48:44 GMT -5
No huge progress this week. Still in garage cleaning mode. I'm close to being done. I did manage to get some stuff in primer last night. Unlike some other scallywags on this site, I primer everything. LOL Ive seen reccomendations for white primer under the Tamiya TS7 for the accurate shade, so I put down gray first, then I will due a couple coats of white so I can wet sand at 2000 for that smooth surface! Its going to be really fun getting this ting shiny and glass like, only to cover it in oil and dirt stains from a hard day at the races!  |
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Post by joelw on Jul 25, 2024 11:21:58 GMT -5
James,
Wouldn't it have been easier just to go with White primer instead of the neutral gray primers? Personally I have 3 different primer colors I use: White, White/Gray that I mix, and black.
But the White over gray primer looks darn good.
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Post by arcticwolf on Jul 25, 2024 13:34:23 GMT -5
James, Wouldn't it have been easier just to go with White primer instead of the neutral gray primers? Personally I have 3 different primer colors I use: White, White/Gray that I mix, and black. But the White over gray primer looks darn good. joel Tamiya white primer has more of a tendency to shrink than the other colours. I always go grey and then a very light white over it for white cars. Found that out the hard way. |
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Post by joelw on Jul 25, 2024 13:52:43 GMT -5
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now that interesting for sure. I just assumed that both Tamiya primers as well as the Mr. Color 1500 Black primer dried at about the same rate, and a solid would tighten up more then when it was in an liquid state. Just never considered that White would tighten up the most. Since I build in only 1/20 and 1/24 scale I've never really noticed any difference. But you mostly model in 1/12 scale. Is that when the shrinking issues occur? And is the end results cracking or chipping especially at the corners?
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Post by project510 on Jul 25, 2024 14:17:13 GMT -5
James, Wouldn't it have been easier just to go with White primer instead of the neutral gray primers? Personally I have 3 different primer colors I use: White, White/Gray that I mix, and black. But the White over gray primer looks darn good. joel Tamiya white primer has more of a tendency to shrink than the other colours. I always go grey and then a very light white over it for white cars. Found that out the hard way. But also, since the body is white and primer is white.. when sanding your primered surface to prep for body color, you wont know if you have sanded through to the plastic since they are both white. So a thin coat of grey under the white allows you to know if you have sanded to far. |
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Post by joelw on Jul 25, 2024 15:06:27 GMT -5
James,
Yes both are white, but the primer is matt and the body is glossy, so they do look some what different especially when you sand through the primer. Believe I know that look all to well.
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Post by project510 on Jul 25, 2024 15:09:57 GMT -5
James, Yes both are white, but the primer is matt and the body is glossy, so they do look some what different especially when you sand through the primer. Believe I know that look all to well. joel Well, the primer is being sprayed via the airbrush, so coats are thin. So far I am not loosing any detail. Also, the body becomes matt white after sanding away mold lines and other defects. We will find out tonight when I went sand. Should be ok. I am sure both ways are appropriate. Its just what I learned. |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Jul 25, 2024 17:14:18 GMT -5
You guys are much smarter than me I’ll say that. I had no idea white primer shrinks more and I’ve never thought of spraying a light coat of gray first for making the body work easier. I’m a little slow in almost every aspect of this hobby. 😂😂
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Post by project510 on Jul 25, 2024 17:51:18 GMT -5
You guys are much smarter than me I’ll say that. I had no idea white primer shrinks more and I’ve never thought of spraying a light coat of gray first for making the body work easier. I’m a little slow in almost every aspect of this hobby. 😂😂 I cant take any credit, I watch a ton of YouTube videos, and copy what I see working well. Also take notes when browsing forums. That's one reason I really enjoy detailed build threads and why I post almost everything. You never know who is reading and what they are trying to learn. |
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Post by joelw on Jul 26, 2024 7:16:09 GMT -5
Kyle & James,
Both of you sound more like me, then I do at times. No really. It's what I do, how I do it, and many times what works for the You Tubers just doesn't work for me. Like you Kyle, I never knew that white shrunk faster then gray or black primer. If I had issues, I just thought that I caused them.
I'm just amazed that if you watch a dozen excellent vid builders, you could actually see and hear their explanations on air brushing. Unfortunately for me, the vast majority just doesn't work in my case. How is it possible that you can run the gamete while using a double action AB with the same mix of paint to thinner ratio with psi from 14 to 30, slow even passes to jerky back and forth motions, and always seem to end up with a decent paint job? Of course the KEY factor is just how much actual paint to air mixture they're using. as well as the needle/cone size. And then some wet sand every layer, some only the final layer before gloss coat, and some not at all till the gloss coat? Yet the end results are nearly perfect every time?
I started mixing the white and gray Tamiya primers so I had a primer light enough to see on white plastic, yet would let White and bright colors look as if I used a white primer. To tell the truth, I'm at the point where I just don't use stand alone white.
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Post by project510 on Jul 26, 2024 10:08:15 GMT -5
Kyle & James, Both of you sound more like me, then I do at times. No really. It's what I do, how I do it, and many times what works for the You Tubers just doesn't work for me. Like you Kyle, I never knew that white shrunk faster then gray or black primer. If I had issues, I just thought that I caused them. I'm just amazed that if you watch a dozen excellent vid builders, you could actually see and hear their explanations on air brushing. Unfortunately for me, the vast majority just doesn't work in my case. How is it possible that you can run the gamete while using a double action AB with the same mix of paint to thinner ratio with psi from 14 to 30, slow even passes to jerky back and forth motions, and always seem to end up with a decent paint job? Of course the KEY factor is just how much actual paint to air mixture they're using. as well as the needle/cone size. And then some wet sand every layer, some only the final layer before gloss coat, and some not at all till the gloss coat? Yet the end results are nearly perfect every time? I started mixing the white and gray Tamiya primers so I had a primer light enough to see on white plastic, yet would let White and bright colors look as if I used a white primer. To tell the truth, I'm at the point where I just don't use stand alone white. joel The interesting thing about this hobby is there can sometimes be MANY different ways to do the same task. And they are all technically "right" because they produce the correct result. Important thing is we enjoy what we are doing, and we get the result we want. Regardless of what way its done. In other news... I finally finished the cleaning up of my garage. I have a few special projects planned, but those are not necessary to keep working. Hopefully get some actual paint down on this thing. |
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Post by adrian29341 on Jul 26, 2024 10:33:26 GMT -5
Kyle & James, Both of you sound more like me, then I do at times. No really. It's what I do, how I do it, and many times what works for the You Tubers just doesn't work for me. Like you Kyle, I never knew that white shrunk faster then gray or black primer. If I had issues, I just thought that I caused them. I'm just amazed that if you watch a dozen excellent vid builders, you could actually see and hear their explanations on air brushing. Unfortunately for me, the vast majority just doesn't work in my case. How is it possible that you can run the gamete while using a double action AB with the same mix of paint to thinner ratio with psi from 14 to 30, slow even passes to jerky back and forth motions, and always seem to end up with a decent paint job? Of course the KEY factor is just how much actual paint to air mixture they're using. as well as the needle/cone size. And then some wet sand every layer, some only the final layer before gloss coat, and some not at all till the gloss coat? Yet the end results are nearly perfect every time? I started mixing the white and gray Tamiya primers so I had a primer light enough to see on white plastic, yet would let White and bright colors look as if I used a white primer. To tell the truth, I'm at the point where I just don't use stand alone white. joel The interesting thing about this hobby is there can sometimes be MANY different ways to do the same task. And they are all technically "right" because they produce the correct result. Important thing is we enjoy what we are doing, and we get the result we want. Regardless of what way its done. In other news... I finally finished the cleaning up of my garage. I have a few special projects planned, but those are not necessary to keep working. Hopefully get some actual paint down on this thing. To be honest this thread is very interesting for a few reasons - number one I have never experienced Shrinkage in Tamiya white primer in all my building days - 45 + years now - so that interested me to no end - puzzling. I chalk this up to possibly the environment we are all spraying in? perhaps? being different in each case? The most important rule I ever learned was that primer is your best friend and prime everything! I honestly feel like this hobby is very similar to cooking - a very good cook could tell you the exact ingredients they use and the method used to create their most famous dish - but that doesn't matter because I would try to cook it and it would taste completely different. I personally think its because of the intangibles - the things about each of our methods and processes that we take for granted and likely don't even recognize because we do them instinctively without even realizing it. I can only speak for myself but I know I really have to put in a much better effort of creating more thorough build threads with more frequent and more detailed descriptions of my processes with more photos, because I know that I get way to caught up in doing rather than posting - I will try harder guys I promise. I think it's important for the reasons that project510 said - thorough build threads include things that we take for granted that there are easily a dozen different ways of doing. Just because I watch a You Tube on something doesn't mean if I try it I will get the exact same result - partly I believe because I am unable to pause the video and ask the creator a question about that last step - some small element that may be missed that really hold sthe key to the success of that step - whereas on this forum we can ask those questions as we go along - maybe I'm not describing it very well but I hope you guys know what I am trying to say?? For example, I always assume that all builders know the same tricks that I do, and then I will post in a thread and find out that so many guys never knew about a particular trick - which is why I have to stop assuming  Also, there is never one "right' way of doing something, because case in point would be my Badger SOTAR 20/20 airbrush - my favorite brush by a new york mile, and I have owned the supposed Holy Grail Harder & Steinbeck Infinity and although I found it to be a fantastic brush in many ways, still not my favorite. But it took me a good year to figure out the best way to optimize my Sotar - a year of trial and error. so much of this hobby is simply trial and error by the individual modeler, but that's kind of what makes it such and awesome hobby : |
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Post by kyledehart5 on Jul 26, 2024 15:05:21 GMT -5
Good stuff in this thread fellas. So true. We all have our own way of doing things. So many ways to tackle this hobby. It’s a relaxation for me no matter what and I just enjoy seeing all your builds and processes.
Glad to hear you’ll be back on this one soon James. Can’t wait for the update.
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Post by arcticwolf on Jul 26, 2024 15:26:54 GMT -5
Thoughts for today.
Next time you watch a YouTube video, ask yourself how many times they shot the same video before they got the one they finally posted.
It's like the video of how the guy does the hub replacement on the Subaru. Let's just say he doesn't live in Canada, or you'd have had 2 hours of heating everything with a torch and beating the crap out of all the rusted together bolts.
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Post by joelw on Jul 26, 2024 16:06:50 GMT -5
Paul,
Now that's food for thought. Every once in a while I would wonder how many do overs for guys like A4 (a true Alien), but nearly all the time I just take it for granted that it's the 1st take.
Never owned a Subaru, but that sure sounds like brutal way of removing a Hub. Is this the manufacture's way of doing it?
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Post by arcticwolf on Jul 26, 2024 16:49:03 GMT -5
Never owned a Subaru, but that sure sounds like brutal way of removing a Hub. Is this the manufacture's way of doing it? joel Probably, but I doubt they'll admit it. 
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Post by joelw on Jul 26, 2024 17:48:33 GMT -5
James,
Me too.
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Post by project510 on Jul 26, 2024 18:24:28 GMT -5
Never owned a Subaru, but that sure sounds like brutal way of removing a Hub. Is this the manufacture's way of doing it? joel Probably, but I doubt they'll admit it.
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Post by project510 on Jul 30, 2024 10:11:21 GMT -5
Despite what feels like a never ending "honey do" list, paired with my little garage clean up project I was able to actually get some work done. Satisfied with this very much. Only I didn't pay attention to my start time, and it was getting really late so all the panels were not painted at the same time. This "shouldn't" affect me too much but yea never know.  Even got a nice smooth final wet coat. She should shine up really well!  |
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Post by brandonk on Jul 30, 2024 10:50:31 GMT -5
White is so difficult to paint, but this looks amazing. My hats off to you for this.
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Post by 2whl on Jul 30, 2024 11:01:55 GMT -5
Excellent job with the paint, James
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Post by keavdog on Jul 30, 2024 11:43:09 GMT -5
Looking good James.
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Post by project510 on Jul 30, 2024 15:06:11 GMT -5
White is so difficult to paint, but this looks amazing. My hats off to you for this. Right? After the 2nd coat I was like man, I really hope the third coat fully covers because its starting to get laid on thick. Thank you Brandon! Excellent job with the paint, James Thanks, Paul! Thanks, John! |
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Post by brandonk on Jul 30, 2024 15:13:19 GMT -5
White is so difficult to paint, but this looks amazing. My hats off to you for this. Right? After the 2nd coat I was like man, I really hope the third coat fully covers because its starting to get laid on thick. Thank you Brandon! Excellent job with the paint, James Thanks, Paul! Thanks, John! I've been told that painting something silver and then white fixes the white opacity issue. I haven't tried it. |
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Post by project510 on Jul 30, 2024 15:17:26 GMT -5
Right? After the 2nd coat I was like man, I really hope the third coat fully covers because its starting to get laid on thick. Thank you Brandon! Thanks, Paul! Thanks, John! I've been told that painting something silver and then white fixes the white opacity issue. I haven't tried it. Oh.. that could be something worth testing out! |
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